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[00:00:00] Speaker A: I. It's so funny because I, I somewhat detest the word and the idea of it and like LinkedIn and all of it because it, it can feel so performative.
But I feel like you're talking about authentic networking, but I think coming at it from a perspective of authenticity and I don't know if it's really about quantity, but like, truly about the quality and especially the people you've worked with that have seen you work, I feel like is the best way to stay in touch. You know, I try to take calls off LinkedIn or people that reach out that like, for an informational. And I think that's one version of networking. But like true authentic networking is like keeping up to date on the projects people are working on and congratulating them, you know, when they win something or reaching out if you think you could connect them. There's a good comedian and a good producer that you think sleep looking for a show, you know, stuff like that.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: Welcome to the 5050 podcast, where we've made it our mission to nurture and empower the next generation of industry talent. Through this podcast, we expand the reach of the 5050 film festival by giving an exclusive peek behind the curtain into the creative and business sides of the entertainment industry. We sit down with folks from all corners of the biz, garnering educational insight into process, production and execution. And live from New York, it's Danielle Gould. This week, Danielle guides her journey to 30 Rock, home of the show we all love Saturday Night Live. Enjoy.
Danielle Gould, thank you for joining the 5050 podcast.
I know you from NYU. Our mutual friend Rohan, I believe, put us together because we had both worked at Broadway Video previously, and now you are making that seamless transition from Broadway Video and in New York, and you're working for SNL now, and that is one of the many reasons why we wanted to talk to you.
Danielle here went to film school at NYU Tisch, and she's been involved in various things, business and creative over there.
And yeah. Welcome to the show, Danielle.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm truly honored. I'm excited to chat.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Are you, first of all, are you awake after last night? Because we're interviewing you on a Sunday and I was just watching on Peacock, the Lady Gaga SNL episode, and it's like, are you alive?
[00:02:32] Speaker A: It's a great question. I am. We lost an hour with daylight savings, so this is the worst Sunday. I would say every year, perfect.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: I'm glad we're interviewing. Glad we're interviewing you on that on the worst day possible. Yeah, great.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: No, I'm fine. And, like, Sunday's my. My day to do stuff and be a human beyond the show, so I always try to wake up at a decent hour and get stuff done. I did a Facebook Marketplace pickup this morning for a table.
So we got up. We got Adam up and early, you know, but no, I'm okay. And it was such a great show. I feel energized from it and not too tired.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: I mean, any show that has a Dan Bulla short in it is a good show for me.
[00:03:19] Speaker A: Oh, so good.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: My Lord. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We just talked. Luke and I literally just got off. We shot another podcast with a filmmaker, Freddie MacDonald, who gave in. He just wrapped shooting his first feature that has funding and distribution and everything. And it's gonna be in theaters this summer. It's called so Torn. And he was talking about. About what makes a great short film. And it's beginning, middle and end that subverts expectations. And one thing I love about Dan's shorts are that it's a clear beginning, middle, and end. And the end is you're literally always like, when is shit going to hit the fan? You're like, this is not just going to be a perfect family friendly short where the person wins in the end. It's going to get bloody like this one did, or however it was. So I'm a fan. I'm a fan from afar, definitely.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah. He's awesome and so creative, and I'm always in awe of how quickly they get, like, such an insane short film done. When his stuff makes. Makes it throughout the week, like the. It feels like that would take me a year to make. But the film unit is a machine, and I mean, they're doing it in like 48 hours.
[00:04:31] Speaker C: It's insane how many people are on the. On that film unit.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say so. They have, like, a core staff with three units that, you know, when there's like, up to three recorded sketches throughout the week, they'll kind of break off as, like, producing teams. But there's probably like a couple hundred crew members that are more like day players. And they have their own studio on West 66 that I think used to be the old ABC sound stages. If I'm right, you could check me on that. But it's awesome. They have, like, two stages over there and. Amazing. Crafty.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: So what is.
[00:05:08] Speaker C: What is the timeline? You know? Yeah, you guys are writing scripts and. And what is that? From, you know, ideation to actual, like, hopping on A sound stage.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Throughout the week, it ramps up. So Monday's kind of easy day. People trickle in around like 5pm or 4 or 5pm and that's pitch night. So all the writers and producers pile into Lauren's office, like, famously sit on the floor and pitch like they're what they're thinking about. Usually it's in the form of, like, a story or something funny that happened to them.
And that kind of rolls into Tuesday, which is like the longest, like, writing night. That's when, you know, the writers are there truly all hours of the night, maybe even sleeping there and writing up until the, like, 10:00am, 11:00am deadline on Wednesday, which. Which is when scripts are due for read through. Producers then read through them Wednesday during the day and pick about 40 that go to table. Table read happens Wednesday night with the cast. We all pile in. It used to be down in the studio the past few years due to Covid, but we're back up on 17 now, which is really good.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: It's intimate. Yeah, it's definitely a more intimate environment.
[00:06:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think you can tell the cast is really excited about that. Cause you can hear the laughter a lot better. It doesn't get lost in the studio.
That goes for a few hours. And then Wednesday night is kind of when it all starts to happen. Producers and some of the writers will go into Lauren's office for picks, and then they'll pick the show and kind of the rough order of the show. That's when the film sketches get picked as well.
And once they're picked around, like 10pm on Wednesday, writers are meeting with all department heads to kind of discuss the direction they want their sketch to go in. Film unit is on Zoom calls production meetings.
It's really cool. Writers are kind of in charge of their sketch. They are the producer and director and, like, vision. And I think that's really unique to snl because other places I think the writer might not have as much autonomy. But it's awesome because they have an idea and, like, they have just the best professionals behind them getting it done.
That's Wednesday night. And then Thursday we start rehearsals. Music will rehearse during the day. Film unit will also start shooting their stuff or location scouting. And we're doing blocking in the studio with, like, rough, like, set pieces that aren't built yet and rough costumes. We also do rewrite tables on Thursday. It's one of my favorite parts. I get to sit in on the rewrite tables. And we table every sketch with the writers and just punch it up. Like, address any issues logistically that might not work. Talk about guests that might be able to come that week. And that is our Thursday, Friday, more rehearsals. The sets are more built out. Crews working, like, overnight, scenic. No, go ahead.
[00:08:11] Speaker C: You said guests that come that week. You're talking about special guests.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: Host is obviously there and picked, but they'll be, like, writing in, you know, any, like, famous guest star, celebrities, athlete. And then talent is making calls to see, you know, if they're available that week and then work, like, creatively working around, like, who can be there? Or if they're like, this person is available and wants to be on the show this week, how can we add them into this sketch?
[00:08:45] Speaker C: Cool.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: So, yeah.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: Awesome. Oftentimes do if, like, Adam Driver is in town, will he just, like, call Lauren and be like, hey, like, I'm dropping in, you know, like, put me in something?
[00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's. It can be even more casual than that. If they're even in New York and, like, coming to the show, sometimes people decide to, like, introduce a musical guest that night. Or, like, truly, it's like, that last minute, and we're, like, drafting up, you know, contracts as they're going on stage.
[00:09:15] Speaker B: So I've heard.
[00:09:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:19] Speaker C: Does it get less stressful doing this every week, or is it just, like, all nighters?
[00:09:24] Speaker B: And I was gonna say, your tolerance for stress must be so high at this point.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: I'm. I'm grateful I'm around. Like, it is the hardest working group of people I've ever met. You have to be crazy to work there. And, like, at the end of the day, you know, I'm an assistant. Nothing I'm gonna do, hopefully, is gonna, like, make or break the show, but I think it's. It's stress management, but also people management. And, like, how can I do my best to contribute to, like, a positive environment? And, like, people around me might be stressed. My boss does an incredible job managing stress, and I try to learn from him as well. But, yeah, it is stressful and things go wrong or the printer breaks. And, you know, we're having interns run between floors, and I'm trying not to yell at them because they're just college students, but I'm like, this truly impacts the show. Like, you, like, run, you know, to cue cards or whatever. But yeah, it. I think it gets, like, easier because you. You see more and you're like, you know what to expect, or, like, your problem solving gets better. But it. I don't know if it gets less stressful.
[00:10:34] Speaker C: Okay, so Friday, you read, you're on.
[00:10:36] Speaker A: Yeah, Friday, more rehearsals. The sets at this point are more built out and that's kind of our longest rehearsal day. They like to say they push it so late in the week because people can forget things. So the closest day to Saturday is Friday and people are least likely to forget. Friday is also a big film unit day. So in the morning there'll be stand ins in the N8H and like the host and cast will be at the soundstage and then halfway through the day they'll come over. Their call time can be as early as like 5, 6am and they're.
We're rapping sometimes at like midnight or one most Fridays. So it's like super long day. The cold open is usually written Friday or Saturday and we're filming or we're blocking that in the studio, like the end of the night on Fridays and then rolls into Saturday on camera, like 12:30. And we run through the show in costume, wig and like set props, all that as best as possible. So it's the most accurate blocking. The control room, there's a meal break and then 8pm dress and we try it and see how it works. And then the meeting in between dress and air, when sketches get cut and things get moved around and there's a big meeting in the studio. Lauren addresses everyone, writers go through notes for their sketches that got picked and then audience loads in and it's 11:30 and we go on and then we get one day off and we do it all again on Monday.
Yeah.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Oh my God. Well, it's really great to have that background because I feel like through the rest of this interview we're going to be asking questions about your role specifically and your path. Because I think you're our age, you and I went to school together and you're in a room, really interesting environment and an environment that a lot of people would love, would kill to be in too. You know, like, I think we can all acknowledge that it's such a cool environment. And also I think SNL has done such a great job at appealing to our generation and still as still a very desirable thing, whether it's people wanting to be on it or behind the scenes on it in your case.
So I want to kind of take it back to, you know, what is your path like in terms of did you always want to. I know a lot of people who are working there like it was their dream to work there. Is that the same for you? Or did you see yourself going in a couple different paths? And I Think uniquely for our generation, there are specific challenges with finding jobs and things like that. So I'm curious what your thoughts are on your path and, you know, if you always saw yourself working for snl.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, you know, I always loved it. Same thing of, like, my parents, you know, would let me stay up late and, like, watch it growing up, and it had always been a part of my life. I did improv in high school, and that was, you know, my personal entrance into, like, performing comedy. And I just learned that I liked being around people who enjoy comedy and comedians. And it was part of the reason I came to nyu, because I knew SNL was here, and I just wanted to be close to it and get there if I could, if there was any way, or at least go see a show.
And, yeah, I studied film and TV at nyu, and I think that prepared me with, like, an understanding of the industry. I truly did not know a lot. I'm from la, but despite that, I wasn't really in it or around it.
And NYU really focused on the art and, like, the artistry. And I don't know if they always focused as well on, like, the business side or specifically television, in the film and TV program. They've actually done a lot, even in the past, like, five years to make that program more robust. But I felt a little bit lost in, like, the world of late night, and I think through, like, clubs and just, like, reaching out on LinkedIn, frankly, to people and just learning about that world and asking current interns how they got there. And everyone's path looked different. And, you know, the rumors about, like, nepotism. Nepotism are true. And it can feel daunting to, like, even want to do it or, like, break in.
But I was, like, interning freshman sophomore year at, like, Random. I mean, it was an ancient aliens podcast. It was, like, this one woman who had a belief in aliens and just, like, wanted to talk to somebody about it. And, like, that was my first internsh.
So you could say I have podcast experience. Yeah.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: And that'll actually be our next guest on the 5050 podcast.
[00:15:35] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah, she's great.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: More power to her.
But, yeah, I think I was like, how do I even break in or do anything? Covid hit spring of my freshman year, and, like, all internships stopped, and I felt even further from, like, getting to where I wanted to go. I just made the SNL internship my goal. I was like, if I could just get the internship and, like, foot in the door, like, as, you know, as cliche. As it is, was it the page.
[00:16:05] Speaker C: Program or was it literally like an internship directly with SNL that you were.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Gunning for the internship? The page program is a post grad opportunity that I also applied for. I am page reject, so there's hope for anyone out there who is rejected from the page program. But it is a wonderful program and another great way if you're out of school to pursue this space.
[00:16:30] Speaker C: Was it like abroad, just like SNL has interns, like a pool of interns that do everything, or is it like specifically with the writers or with the producers?
[00:16:40] Speaker A: They have a general production internship and they have other departmental ones and you can apply through the NBC Careers website. And that's what I had been applying to every single semester.
And that was the goal. And I was like, how can I even get close to that? And like, whatever. So I interned around at like, PGA and Neon, which is incredible.
But I realized like, oh, independent film distribution. And like, that's not for me. And it was like one of the greatest experiences. But it was so helpful to know, like, okay, this, this gut feeling of like, I want to be in late night or live entertainment might still be true. So I'm gonna like, keep going for that. But I was just trying to build my resume and I. Doing some research, like, soft. Around sophomore year, I found Broadway Video Lorne Michaels production company. Didn't realize that so many brands and names of content that I loved were under this umbrella. Um, like beyond just SNL and the late shows, but like Mean Girls, Portlandia, like, you name it, like, they have tons of audible shows and, and movies and tv and like every. Almost every entity made by an SNL alum is through or tied to Broadway video in some way. And I was like, oh my God, this is so cool. So I found a nice woman who worked there on LinkedIn and politely reached out to her about internships. She said they were on a hiatus because of COVID And I did follow up with her about six times over the course of two years. And she probably thought I was crazy, but she was so kind and eventually gave me an email of an assistant at BV who ended up being my boss and was one of my interviewers. And that's how I got to Broadway Video summer into my senior year. And that was like an incredible experience, like, truly eye opening. I was around amazing people. I was in the New York office working on script coverage for their audio content International, like, film and TV projects.
They had such a great understanding and care of the intern experience and let us sit in on meetings and share with us and get coffees. And it was a small office and felt like we were really making an impact.
And that was. I'm like, sorry if I'm rambling. This was like, summer into my senior year. But at the end of that, I did sit down with some of the assistants there and, you know, kind of got the courage to share that SNL was my dream, and I had been trying for a long time. And I was scared because I didn't want to just get something I didn't deserve. Like, I thought I had to earn it and just apply, but I spoke up and shared. I'm like, this is what I want. And they heard me out and were so kind and recommended me to Lorne Michaels office at snl, which is still Broadway Video and not part of that general NBC internship program. I didn't even know this was a thing. It's like a secret menu item at Starbucks. I truly didn't know.
They put me in contact with people over there, interviewed, and then got the internship for season. What was that, 48.
And I was in his office assisting, basically, his assistants for the duration of my senior year at nyu.
[00:20:20] Speaker C: How was that? Was that, like, a dream come true for you? Was that everything you wanted, or was it.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: I broke down crying. Like, truly, I. It's so vivid in my head in my apartment. I got the email that they wanted to move forward, and I, like, dropped my phone and started crying and then called my dad, and he was like, oh, my God, what's wrong? Like, do I need to fly out to New York? I was like, no, no. Happy tears. Like, so grateful for that and that they were willing to put their name on the line to recommend me. And I remembered that. And I, to this day, like, still interact with some of the people at Broadway Video and think about how I can make them proud. Like, it's cheesy, but, like, I'm a reflection of them, and I. I want to do my best to, in, you know, make sure they thought they had. They made the right decision. So, yeah, that was like my. My foray into the internship, and it was awesome. I mean, like, day one, they're taking me on a tour, like, in Lauren's office. And part of my job was to help, like, set up the office and just know how to escort people and all that. And I, like, trying not to freak out. I'm like, is everyone else seeing what I'm seeing? And I was like, professionalism is important, but I think everyone there is, like, a closeted super fan. And we all just push it down to be professional.
But there's so many like, pinch me moments from that year and I'm. I'm truly so grateful for that experience. It was awesome.
[00:21:46] Speaker C: So from that internship, from that to where you are now. Yeah. How was that?
[00:21:51] Speaker A: Yeah, at the end of the internship, I was gearing up to have my coffee chats and do the networking, you know, try to get the limited job spots that they have.
[00:22:03] Speaker C: When that internship was wrapping up, were you nervous of like, am I, like, were you confident of like, I have a position here for sure. Like, I'll definitely still have a spot here? Was it like, wow, like, that's it. Like, it was fun, like, time to go do something else?
[00:22:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I wasn't confident at all. I think the turnover rate there for jobs is so low because it's so hard to get there and people love it, so they stay and it's kind of like a cult. So it's hard to leave a cult when you're like drinking the Kool Aid and you're there. I had no expectation, but I, I was going to try to position myself in the, the best way possible. And as I was gearing up to do that, the double strikes happened and our last three shows were canceled. Um, that was in May. I was devastated. You know, the interns are allowed to go to the finale after party and we, we didn't get that. And I was just sad. There was no like, goodbye.
Graduated, honestly, tried to do the California thing. Moved home to LA briefly and applied.
You know, was on the picket line for the strikes and just trying to, to find my way there. And it didn't really work. You know, I, the agency stuff didn't pan out and I just. My connections were here in New York and my heart was here in New York.
So yeah, that's. That was like the immediate postgrad experience for me. And it was hard. And I worked at AMC theaters.
Loved it. My manager was 16 and I had to clean up kids vomit in the bathroom because they ate too much sugar at the Paw Patrol movie. Classic. Yeah, I was like, great. I have a BFA and this is what I'm doing. And I, it, it's so important because, like, I was so grateful to even have work at that time. And like, it was nice to just be doing something and it's like admirable work. And I love going to AMC and I'm a list, so I support much. Yeah, represent and yeah, that was my like, immediate postgrad experience and I, I did like A solo Europe trip. And I stopped in New York on the way back to network and just kind of reach out to my old bosses via assistants in Lauren's office. And I was like, hey, if there's anything that comes up, like, remember me, think of me. And I went back to LA and there were two job openings during the summer into season 49. Also, SNL is known for their last minute nature. Jobs usually get filled the week of the first show, if not into the season. It's just, it's how everything works. There's no heads up and they know people will drop everything to work there, me included. So I interviewed for two positions through one of the associate producers who helps with hiring. And I ended up getting the receptionist role, which is what I did for season 49, which was great. It was such a good introduction into the NBC side of things because I was very much in the Broadway video world and this allowed me to learn so many people in so many aspects of the show that I kind of was shielded from in Lauren's office.
And it was awesome. And I, I love that position. We helped with Weekend Update a little bit and I, I loved being like kind of the face of the floor and welcoming people. It's also kind of like an office PA role. And that's what I did for season 49. And then at the end of that season, the. That's when I got transitioned into my current role as an assistant to a producer.
[00:25:36] Speaker C: So are you. Do you have any time to. Sorry, Wyatt. Do you have any time to. I guess, is the job all encompassing or are you finding yourself going to shows, like, outside of work at all, or is it very much like this job is your life and that's just how it works and, like, you're cool with that because obviously it's the dream. And who wouldn't want this to be your life?
Yeah. Like.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:00] Speaker C: Do you find yourself having a life outside of SNL or is it very much like this is everything right now?
[00:26:07] Speaker A: It's. It's both. When the show is on, it's everything and it's my life. And then during our hiatus weeks, that's when I pack it in with, you know, trying to go to comedy shows or. Sorry, trying to go to comedy shows or screenings of, like, specials from the writers or premieres of movies, you know, written by the team, like, trying to support the show by going to those events, like on or off weeks or just seeing friends or spending time with people.
So it, it's very like black and white. It feels like okay. When the show's on, like my friends know like they're not going to see me. But then when we're off I try to really utilize that time and people typically travel dressed, you know, do all that stuff in the off week. So we flip flop. But I don't mind it because there is a decent amount of time off.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: I have an issue where sometimes I feel like the only social time I'm able to spend is seeing a show afterwards, trying to meet the people who did the show, trying to get their emails, trying to get drinks with them afterwards, seeing work people for drinks after. Like I feel like that my social life is so, so work heavy which I've come to accept that that's just the way that I am. And I think with your story, a through line I definitely see is networking. Sure you did a Europe trip, but you also stopped in New York and got a job while you're at it and saw your SNL people.
So I want to talk about kind of the importance of keeping those connections, especially in a place like SNL where trust is a big thing. Right. Like I, I even know from my experience working at Broadway Video like it is once you're in that sort of system and you've proven yourself that you are trustworthy and you can get the job done, people want to help you and want you to stick around. So you know, what is, what is your view on networking and how has it changed since you were in college and everything?
[00:28:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's so funny because I, I somewhat detest the word and the idea of it and like LinkedIn and all of can feel so performative but I feel like you're talking about authentic networking and I feel like you are really good at that actually. And Luke and as well I'm sure you guys are because of just like where you've come with this and everything I, I know about you but I think coming at it from a perspective of authenticity and I don't know if it's really about quantity but like truly about the quality and especially the people you've worked with that have seen you work, I feel like is the best way to stay in touch. You know, I try to take calls off LinkedIn or people that reach out that like for an informational and I think that's one version of networking. But like true authentic networking is like keeping up to date on the projects people are working on and congratulating them, you know, when they win something or reaching out if you think you could connect them. There's a good comedian and a good producer that you think is looking for a show. You know, stuff like that. And I. I'm trying to work on continuing that level of networking because, you know, we only have so much bandwidth, and I think, like, choosing where you spend your time is so important.
And, yeah, I think I got lucky that I was just around really good people that cared about our generation and. And making it into this next step. You know, we don't get anywhere alone. And I was just really lucky. There was people that were once in my shoes that are now on the other side of the hiring that kind of saw me and. And, you know, also maybe have worked at Broadway Video or were in Lauren's office and felt like a connection to me in that way from, like, shared experience. So it was definitely a little bit of luck and persistence and pushing yourself to be a little bit uncomfortable sometimes, like, asking for what you want, like, sucks. Like, I hate it. I just want people to, like, see me be like, I can read your mind. I'm going to pick you. And here's a job on a silver platter.
[00:30:20] Speaker B: That never happens, though.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's so crazy it never happens. But making it known in a, like, authentic, respectful way and, you know, not demanding a job, but saying, like, hey, I'm interested in this. Like, tell me more. How can I get there?
[00:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a. It's a really interesting path, and I. I think there's so much merit to it. And I. I love the idea of authentic networking because it's what I'm interested in, you know, Like, I. At least I think about our past interactions, and I literally am the biggest SNL fan. I mean, like, I feel like I listen to every podcast about snl, watch every sort of documentary, whatever it is. So I feel like it's just a friend talking to a friend and nerding out about stuff. And I think if you approach networking in that way, it's really important. I love the concept of if someone wins an award, reach out to them. Because one thing that I've learned in my past job working in representation is that if you look at the Emmys, right, and you look at who's producing every show guaranteed in your past internships or coffee meetups or informational, you know, one person who has worked at a Neon or what, you know, whatever, reach out to that person. Just send a quick email of congratulations, because guaranteed, they're probably getting fewer emails than you think.
Their inboxes are not being flooded. You know, with movies, it takes a team, right? But only Specific people really get recognition. Especially, like, on the executive side, you don't see a lot of people getting inboxes flooded with congratulations on an aura or whatever, you know, but it's really important to just send that congrats because it's what you would want to receive, you know, if you put so much work into it.
[00:32:12] Speaker A: Absolutely. I got a few texts after the 50th, and I was shocked because I'm like, I didn't create this. You know, I'm such a small piece of it. But, yeah, it was so sweet because people, you know, watched it and thought, like, oh, this must have taken a lot out of you. And, like, congrats on being a part of it and congrats, like, to the people around you, and it was such a beautiful thing. So. Absolutely.
[00:32:35] Speaker C: Can you talk a bit about the 50th and prep for that and just that journey? And if you felt any fulfillment or satisfaction after the fact, or if it was just a massive, like, wow, it's over. I can finally breathe a little bit.
[00:32:50] Speaker A: Yeah. It was once in a lifetime experience, as they say. But people who had been there for a long time talked about thinking about the 50th during the 40th, and how it's. It's been in the back of people's heads since then and probably even before then, but it's been in the works for a really long time. It felt like this summer was the biggest push to actually, you know, booking people and. And deciding big chunks. But again, in true SNL fashion, still felt like a lot of the work was done the week of classic. We know no other way, and that's what we're good at. So I guess that' how it panned out. But, yeah, it was awesome. I think it's what a lot of people think SNL is like, every week. Like, that level of celebrity interaction and just like, fame and glitz and glamour and week to week. Like, yes, comparatively, maybe I'm desensitized to it now, but it truly, like, I had to check myself and make sure, you know, I'm not fangirling. You know, I'm watching Paul McCartney rehearse, and I'm frankly, I'm crying, like, in the studio. Like, that's a Beatle. Like, like, wow. I'm like, okay, I'm at work. Like, keep it together. But it was awesome. We, you know, we worked seven days, like, straight through the week. So the structure I just went through about each day of the week was modified, I would say. We had a, you Know, longer time to write it about, like, a month off from the previous, like, regular show. So writers were coming in obviously before the week of. And writing talent was working around the clock, booking and scheduling and managing hundreds of, like, people cast, like alumni and celebrities. Truly insane. But, yeah, it was awesome. There are no dress rehearsals, so if you thought it was a little loose or a little fun, that was probably why. But, yeah, it was awesome. The after party was at the Plaza performances by a lot of the musicians.
On Friday, there was the homecoming concert, which everyone that had ever worked on the show was invited to. This, like, amazing, incredible. It felt like a music festival in one night. Just. Just an awesome Radio City experience.
It was funny that that was during precious hours leading up to the show. So the crew, you know, 7pm we're gonna all head over and this is what we're doing tonight. But, yeah, it was kind of a whirlwind, and I think I'm still processing, which is weird, of course.
[00:35:38] Speaker B: And it's. It's weird because you did the 50th and then you're kind of just back at work and you have another show. What did that show after feel like? Was it like. Oh, that felt like a finale in a way.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: Yeah. A coworker of mine described it as, like, postpartum depression because it was such a high. It was all of our, like, child that we birthed together. And now it is back to the regular, and it's still so exciting and fun. But there was a relief for sure that there's not this thing we're thinking about. And this, the weekly and day to day of the regular show is muscle memory and second nature for so many people that it was comforting to just be back in it. And the weather is nicer now, too, and it felt like this change of chapter of. Okay, we're. We're heading towards the end of the season and toward a way to wrap it up in, like, this nice celebratory thing.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: Totally. I'm curious, looking back at the 50th, I know there wasn't a dress rehearsal, which is something you mentioned. Would you have done anything different if you put your producer hat on? Is there anything that you wish was rehearsed more or wished could have been utilized better?
[00:36:55] Speaker A: It's hard to say because I want to say lock the scripts earlier, but how realistic is that?
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah, of course.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: I think this is a small thing. Part of my job right now is I help run our internship program, like the general interns, which is awesome to have come from that world and now get to be a part of making it a good program and like trying to affect change in, in a positive way and make sure that they get a good experience out of it. And I feel like what I would have done differently specifically with them is maybe have them come in a little bit earlier and stay a little bit later because I didn't anticipate truly the amount of like need this was that was going to be that week. And it was so different from our regular show. Like the earliest they get in is at 10 most days. But you know, there were people there at like 7, 8am working in the studio and I think I would have had them come in earlier. I was coming in earlier, which is hard to ask when you're already pushing 80 to 100 hours that week. So yeah, I'm trying to think like show wise I would have tried to maybe feature more alumni cast members, like celebrate the, the alumni cast. A lot of them were there in the audience, but I think this was a show for the world but, but for SNL fans and for the family of snl. And it felt nostalgic in a lot of ways. And I think I would have love to have celebrated them and maybe old producers and crew members that have, you know, put in 30 to 40 years of their life into the show.
It would have been so cool. They did a little bit of that with like Nurse Theresa.
[00:38:38] Speaker B: And Sandler's song was good.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: Yes, Donna, like those shout outs were awesome and Sandler's song was perfect. And I think maybe seeing more of that just for the fan in me would have loved to see.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:38:52] Speaker C: I was really like almost my highlight of that show was when the credits were rolling and everyone was on stage just like hugging each other. And I like, I was like emotional. I was like such a. I just wanted to be a part of it, you know, it's like, wow, like this is such a community. Like, what a special, special thing, you know? Yeah, there's. I really don't know of anything like that. And obviously in film, in tv, like it is like summer camp where like you're on a project for four months of people and you're in Australia or you're in wherever the heck you are, Louisiana, New York, whatever. Wherever you are, doesn't matter. You're with a group of people for a certain amount of time and you're spending 16 hours a day with these people and you get, you become family and then it just is over and it ends and you're on to the next project. And shit, sure, maybe. Oh, I know Wyatt, I know Danielle. Like, I know you know this person. Familiar faces here and there, but like, I think rarely do you have an opportunity to like really have that get together again. And I don't know, I think just something about seeing all those generations on stage and stuff. And it's like it was so clearly like an inside baseball type show where it was like, this is for the cast, you know, and like, yeah, I definitely felt like an outsider watching it almost. But it was like such a cool, like, damn. Like, this is so cool. Like, I like there's so much history here. This is such a. Such a special thing.
[00:40:25] Speaker A: There is a really awesome photo. I think Mary Ellen, the photographer who takes all the bumper, like editorial style headshots of the cat of the guests, took this incredible photo of that moment you're describing on the stage of just every single person there is, you know, the top of their industry. And it's the coolest thing to witness. I think someone had mentioned too that the energy at the party and the show in general was so amazing because it was truly a celebration. Unlike award shows where you could compare, like that amount of celebrity is in the same room, but there's an era of competition and, you know, maybe like an air of competition and just maybe not always the best intentions. But here, like it was to celebrate the collective win of 50 years and to celebrate Lorne. And I think that was beautiful. And maybe what you're describing, it's.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: It. It's definitely a collective experience and a team experience.
Does it feel like that on snl? Because I think to be on a show like that that is so weakly and so cast based and I feel like from what I've heard from the cast members, it's a really great squad right now and there's not many huge egos or things like that. So does it feel like you're all part of a team?
[00:41:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say just by the sheer number of hours that you're working and that you're working together, there is a trauma bond that happens. And I think, you know, we're all working toward the same goal of 11:30 on Saturday. And I would totally agree that it feels like a family. And I feel very lucky to be there and again just surrounded by insanely hardworking people and how much goes into it behind the scenes, from the cast and the writers down literally to the interns, is so admirable. And I, I can completely agree with that, that it's like a really awesome environment.
[00:42:28] Speaker C: You mentioned a Few times the importance of locking scripts. And Wyatt and I have written a lot of sketches in our day, and a lot of times we find ourselves overthinking and second guessing and coming down to the last second right before production and changing a script up. And a lot of times in the edit, we're like, damn, we should have stuck with the original script.
So, I mean, obviously you're working with the most talented comedy writers on the planet or seeing them work.
How often are scripts being changed or, or how often are they even locked? Because I'm, I'm sure there's so much improv happening too, on the day.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say they're never really locked. Like, that's the, the truest answer is like, they never are. And things are getting even cut, like during the sketch internally, like on air, if we're short on time. But this, like, we still need to fill time. So it's not enough, like time to cut a full sketch, which some do. But like, you know, the sketch is five and a half minutes, we need to cut it down to three. So you're make. The writers and the director are making like live cuts internally to the sketch or maybe with like a few minutes heads up at the end of the show.
But I, I mean, they don't change too much from that. Wednesday, like, table read again, if there's like logistic issues or cast changes, that will happen, but they're punching it up for jokes. But in some way it has to be locked because, like, props needs to know what they need to have from the warehouse, like on Thursday, by Friday, like, it's the turnaround so tight that it does lend itself to not too many changes. With that being said, there's been so many exceptions to that rule and it's, it's impressive how fast everyone else can react and adapt to the changes. And cast will get, you know, a line change 30 seconds before they go on the sketch and they'll read it perfectly with perfect timing. And I'm always impressed by that because, you know, they're rehearsing it a few times throughout the week and then with dress and air, like, they've said it a few times. But when they get changes like that last minute, that's when I see their true talent come out. Because I'm like, you are. Maybe you're even reading it for the first time from the cue card on air and you're delivering it perfectly.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: Is always so impressive to me.
[00:45:00] Speaker B: It's amazing. Well, I'm, I'm curious, you know, looking Ahead, because, you know, I'm an assistant, you're an assistant. We, you know, we know what those duties entail. Where do you kind of see yourself in the next few years? You know, if it's at the show, if it's elsewhere. I'm curious, you know, you can be as position oriented in this question as you want. You could also give a sort of, you know, social, emotional answer as well. So, you know, where, where do you kind of see yourself living in the next, in the next few years?
[00:45:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I want to be really honest because I feel like I would have loved to hear this when I was an intern.
SNL was the goal for such a long time, and I truly thought if I got there, I'm going to stay for 20 years and be a producer. And like, that's my dream. And I got there and I see it and it's incredible and amazing and like, more than I could have asked for it. And I don't know if it's forever for me. I don't know if the show is going to exist forever, but I don't know if it's forever for me. And it's just a balance thing.
It's tough, you know, I'm trying to be positive and share, like, the best parts of it, but there it is hard. You know, working 80 hours to 100 hours a week takes a toll on you. And I think I'd love to in the future find balance in, in whatever that means or however that looks, but in terms of like, personal life and work life or just truly like, balance of hours in the day or weekends.
And I'd love to be in an environment that would be easier to achieve that balance. I don't know if that's like, immediately, like after this season or in a few years because, you know, know, I'm young, I, I can handle the, the hours right now. But, yeah, and I, that might mean la. Honestly, I, I miss my family and it would be nice to be home and, and drive, you know, like, there's, there's perks like that too. But yeah, I'm really interested in comedy. I will always love comedy and being around comedians and supporting comedians is really important to me. I'm really interested in IP and like, sourcing material that exists and helping, like, convert it to different media and like, film and tv. And I would love to maybe pursue that in the future.
[00:47:26] Speaker C: Are you doing any of that now, like, or looking for certain ip, like, are you reading books? Are you, like, where are you getting inspired?
[00:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I like to Read, and I watch a lot of TV as well, but right now I'm not doing anything with that, like, book professionally, but I. I'm just, like, interested in kind of the idea of it. And I think, like, my next goal to be to talk to people in that space and. And hear, like, how they work. But I think something really intrigues me about creative development and, like, bringing people together. Like. Like just connecting people that have good ideas but maybe don't know how to make it happen.
And that, like, intersection that you guys talk about of, like, the creative and business, I feel like we're all trying to hit. And I. It. It really, like, inspires me. So, like, frankly, not too much at the moment, but hoping this summer to maybe reach out to, like, writers on the show or other, like, people that work at the show that are pursuing things outside of SNL and, like, seeing how I could help or benefit them in any way, because people stay pretty busy over the summer with other projects and opportunities, so they need me. I'm here.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Interesting. Yeah, good. Good to know. And I think it's a really cool angle you're taking with it. Seems like the job you're looking for is kind of a development E position, but also going. It's very you to go straight to the source of, like, talking with writers and being like, what IP are you interested in? Like, that's. That is. That's exactly what is done in the real world, I think.
I also think that New York is not a bad place to be in terms of. At least in the literary world and that side of the IP world. Like, I know a bunch of people at HarperCollins who are in their film TV department, you know, who are just developing novels. And I'm sure there's connections even within the whole Comcast, Universal umbrella to be going through a studio and looking at IP in that lens. So I think it is a really interesting part of the industry. And I know that if I were your boss at snl, I would never want you to leave or I would be like, how can we keep Danielle here?
But it absolutely makes sense, and it's important to kind of. If you are at a point.
I just switched jobs, actually, and I was working in representation for two years. And I think working in representation, I felt like I would have been good as a manager. I felt like I really understood what that job entails, and I have passions in specific parts of it. But I also knew that I wanted to get a little bit creative and I wanted to be starting to get on sets more and explore what development looks like. And I've found a job in that now. And it's a really interesting point to be in right where you are working a job and trying to look forward, you know.
So I think it's. It's an important mention of, like. It's kind of like doing two jobs at once in a way, you know?
[00:50:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's scary. Like, I want to, like, acknowledge that because I think, you know, in high school, for most of us, the very clear next step is college. We're privileged enough to have that opportunity. And then from within college, it's internship or close club or whatever. And it felt like the next step was always pretty clear, and now it's not. And it's a little scary and ambiguous, and a lot of people are in that boat. And I'm so lucky to have something I love right now that I think can help me and inspires me right now. And I think just acknowledging that it's. It's scary and, like, the idea of switching can be daunting, but I think it's important to think about the future just so maybe if an opportunity comes up in the present, you're. You're ready for it.
[00:51:21] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:51:23] Speaker C: What are some takeaways from snl? Obviously, we're speaking in the future here, but, like, yeah, maybe just. Just, you know, learnings that you can apply to your future, but also your daily life from not only what you've learned personally, but also, like, maybe some things that you've seen that certain people you look up to, you know, at the office or on the stage, you've kind of said, wow, that's. That's really inspiring. That's really interesting.
[00:51:51] Speaker A: Yeah. I think an adaptable mindset, you know, and, like, the willingness to put yourself out there and be. Be okay with failure. And in our world, that means, like, a sketch not getting picked or not making it to air or your idea not coming to fruition in some way. And I think the beauty of it is there's a show next week, and then the week after and the week after, and everyone's thinking of stuff all the time. And that's more of, like, from the writing perspective, but I think that trickles down to everyone, that there's repetitive opportunities to continue to try or implement things. And I really want to take away that. You know, if you write a script and it, you know, it doesn't get picked up or whatever, you know, keep it. Maybe it'll work with someone else, but, like, move on to the next thing.
Not taking that personally because it's so hard, because our art is like, a part of us, and the work we do it like, it's truly, like, a physical piece of us, but learning to brush it off and move on quickly, because that's how you get better, too. And I think there's something really inspiring in that. And then also, just, like, the work ethic of the people around me is so amazing. And I'm like, really? It excites me and inspires me to work harder because I'm around people that are working hard and putting in so much time and effort into what they do. So I would love to bring that to my next place. And I feel like anywhere else I work over time will never scare me. So that's. That's a good part of it, too.
Yeah, I would say.
[00:53:33] Speaker C: Who on the current cast are you, like, super excited about?
[00:53:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like, like, out of our new people. They're all amazing. I. I love Ashley. She's such a good character actress, and I'm excited to see how they continue to utilize her as a character.
And, I mean, like, Bowen is such, like, an easy, obvious.
[00:53:55] Speaker B: He's like a staple at this point. He's. He's really like.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he's such a good example of, like, being able to break out of this world and be seen as an actor and a podcaster and, like, all these hats. And, you know, he started as a writer, also NYU alum. Shout out. But he. He, like. I don't know. He must have more hours in his day than mine because he's, like, at the Oscars and then back at work the next day, I'm like, how.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: And then. And then filming Lost Colch, and it's amazing.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy, like, and everyone's doing that. Like, I hear about all these projects they're working on, and it's insane and admirable, and I. I mean, I'm truly excited for all of them. And, yeah, I think he's just, like, a good example of how you can branch out and be seen as more than this. And he's one of so many people that, like, have gone through this.
This funnel and come out the other side just, you know, so a part of everything and a part of our culture and such a staple. And I. I'm. I love him. I love him for it.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: I. I love him, too. And I think it's. It's a testament to kind of seeing yourself as your own business in a way, and understanding. And understanding that I have all these interests, and I'm able to do that. I'm able to have a podcast and have a whole culture built around that show. I'm able to contribute to snl, which is, you know, arguably more mainstream and a different kind of comedy and, and do really well to that. And it's staying authentic to who you are, but also catering yourself to all of these other opportunities and being in Wicked and being in indies, and it's really amazing what he's been able to do with his career. And I think it starts with seeing yourself as your own business, which is something I try to do in myself with all the things that I work on. And Luke, I know you're doing a million things you can't.
It's. It's hard to put us into a box, which I think is, is important and, and part of 5050 and, and what we try to do.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's such a good way to put it in a great perspective.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:07] Speaker C: Have you seen the, the talent pool that, you know, you guys pull from regarding casting shift at all with the rise of social media or like the, I don't know, I guess virality and like, the hopes of, like, hey, let's, let's keep, you know, SNL in the headlines. How do we do that? Like, let's get cast members with a million followers or something? Like, is that. Has that really had an impact or are you guys really still in the. In the place where, you know, be so, you know, great that people can't ignore you kind of thing? And who cares if you have five followers? Why? It's hilarious. Like, let's get them on the show kind of thing.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: Yeah. It's hard for me to answer because I'm not entirely on the scouting side of things, but from what I can gather with someone like Jane, who had a following on TikTok, but stands alone as an impressive comedian and like music. Musician. Comedian, as well as just like a truly a kind person. I think that's part of it too. Like, you know, you're joining our family and I think more than anything, they, they care about talent and who you are, and I think that's reflected in who they pick. But I think at the end of the day, it's, if you're making people laugh, that's like, what's most important. And I, I hope social media doesn't run. Run the world or run the decision making, and I don't think it does, but it definitely can't be an aspect that's ignored in the world right now.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: I agree I think we live in very much like a headline culture where people are always claiming that this is going to be the biggest next thing. Whether it's bitcoin or AI or social media even. I think we live in that sort of culture. And especially with SNL, people have probably been saying for 10 years that, oh, it's past its prime and there's no way it can survive. And it has survived. And people in our generation really do love it still. They might watch it the next day on Peacock, they might watch it, the sketches on YouTube, but it's still SNL and there's still something really amazing about it being live. And I think people, I don't know, I listen to Dana Carvey's podcast and he always talks about how it is in a way a reality show in and of itself. Right. It's like we throw an athlete onto a sketch comedy show. What happens, you know, and even if they bomb, even if they fail, that's entertaining. It's like any other reality show. Right. So I think there's that reality aspect that really curates to modern culture as well. I'm curious where you see SNL going especially, you know, it doesn't seem like Lorne's going anywhere anytime soon, but where do you see it going, especially after this sort of man made peak that is SNL 50, right? Like, where do you kind of see it going in the next few years?
[00:59:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's like so hard to predict. But I, I think if they continue their, to do their best to keep up with the, the changing atmosphere and you know, sometimes sketches will reference tik tok or topical things and like, that's the beauty of it. If there is a trend, you know, this week we can put it in the show on Saturday. And there is something helpful in that and trying to stay topical.
But I hope they just continue to, to like uplift new comedians and new voices and discover people. I mean, like, to me that's the most wonderful part of it. And it's so hard to, to be heard like especially just in this landscape with social media and virality and you know, I've been viral on TikTok. It's. It's crazy, the reach. So I think, I hope and I foresee that they will continue to just find incredible people from around the country, around the world and continue to uplift them. I hope that doesn't sound too corporate of an answer. No, no, it's my truth.
[01:00:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I recognize your truth and accept your truth. Thank you.
I really think it's a great outlook.
I'm curious, like, because SNL has such a variety of comedy, you know, you look historically and there's been, like, amazing duos and specific writers who. You can really tell the voices that are coming through in sketches. What is, like, your taste in comedy and, like, who do you align with? And, you know, are you like a Kyle Mooney Beck Bennett person? Are you a JaneWickline? Are you a Chloe Trost? Are you. Are you a Keenan? And you know, like, all these people, who are you? Who are you aligning with?
[01:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I laugh pretty easily. Like, okay, you know, like, I enjoy all of them and maybe that's why they keep me around, because they're like, she'll laugh at our jokes. But no, I love. I love sketches that everyone has been a part of or written just because of the sheer number of it. Like, you can find something from everyone right now. Like, I really love Streeter and Mikey. They are such a great duo. Streeter is one of our head writers and Mikey Day. They have such an incredible dynamic and feel like older brothers to me that I, like, don't have. Not like, personally my older brother, but that's the humor and style from them. And I just admire it that they're so unafraid to be silly and just, like, take a risk and know they know their voices so well. Like, I. Out of everything, if you gave me blind scripts, like, I could probably pick theirs out of a pile. And I just admire that. And I. I always love their stuff.
[01:02:05] Speaker B: So what's an example of one they've done? They've done recently? Just so that we know that. Know their tone and voice?
[01:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I would say, like, super. Recently, Mikey's feature on Update as Lord Gaga was, like, written by Streeter. And I just, like, that is so creative to me and I feel like I would never think of that. But of course they're like, duh, it's Lady Gaga. Of course there's a Lord and like, their ability. Like, I'm so impressed with how their brains work that I'm, like, jealous of it. So I think that's like a taste of. Of what they do.
[01:02:45] Speaker B: Great.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:02:46] Speaker B: That's one of those ones that you just say the premise and you're already laughing, which is always a good sign. It's always a good sign. Yeah.
[01:02:55] Speaker C: Have you ever done stand up or stage stuff at all or more improv?
[01:03:01] Speaker A: I want to get back into it. I haven't done a ton since post grad, honestly. But I have a notes app of things that I think would be funny in a stand up set and I'd love to like take a class and like do it for me, you know, like not tell anyone but just like do it and, and see if I can. But it's really scary. It's really scary. And I am so impressed. And a lot of people that work at the show behind the scenes do stand up or improv and are really involved in kind of this scene. So I think it's accessible for sure. And I would love to, but at the moment, no.
[01:03:38] Speaker B: Well, when or if you come back to la, we can get you going with that. We've interviewed a couple people in that scene and we would love to. Luke and I made a pact to do it at some point. Luke, I know, has a little more experience doing standup than I, so I've just, I've been avoiding doing it. But it's going to happen at some point, so it's going to happen.
[01:04:01] Speaker C: We'll make it happen.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
[01:04:02] Speaker A: I'll be in the audience.
[01:04:03] Speaker B: Perfect.
[01:04:04] Speaker C: Well, Danielle, you'll be up there with us.
[01:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. No, you won't be in the audience. You're going to be up there right after us.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: Exactly.
[01:04:11] Speaker B: So, yes. But it's been such a pleasure interviewing you and I so many times during this interview had to hold my tongue because I just love SNL so much.
It was, I was letting Luke take the lead because he actually, he actually asked me good questions instead of me just being like, whoa, Sarah, like you know, over the week. Yeah. But congrats on all the success and we're really, really looking forward to you, you know, to where you go and, and thanks for being a part of the 5050 community and, and welcome.
[01:04:42] Speaker A: Thank you.
[01:04:47] Speaker C: Did you learn something? I'm like your mom. Did you learn something in this episode? I hope so. Or not. That's okay. Thanks for hanging. Make sure you follow us at the 5050fest on Instagram. And I think we have a TikTok. I don't know, go check it out. Okay, bye.
