HOW TO: Fail Upwards in Comedy (w/ Johnny Marx)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: A huge wake up call for me was I had this thing that I'd written for a while and was kind of sitting on because, like, I wasn't really inspired by it and whatever, whatever and Linda and all this stuff. And then I watched someone's thing and the first scene of this thing was basically the first scene of my thing. And I was like, wow. Like, you were like almost line for line. And it really, it really inspired me to be like, do it. You have the thought. Do it. You have a thought. Put it out. Like, it just. It really. I was like, wow. Like it was such a wake up call moment for me. And I was like, okay. Period. Like, you have to do what feels really authentic to you. [00:00:32] Speaker B: The content machine. [00:00:32] Speaker A: Totally. [00:00:37] Speaker C: I'm Luke Steinfeld. [00:00:38] Speaker B: And I'm Wyatt Sarkisian. [00:00:39] Speaker C: We made the 5050 podcast to support you on your filmmaking journey. [00:00:43] Speaker B: 50% business, 50% creative. [00:00:45] Speaker C: Every Tuesday, a new how to. [00:00:52] Speaker B: This week we talk with actor and comedian Johnny Marks. You may remember Johnny from early on in the podcast. We spoke with him about how to start in stand up comedy. In a way, he was our lab rat. We didn't really know what we were doing in the podcast space and he was just trying to figure out how to level up in stand up. Well, since then, Johnny has produced nearly a year's worth of stand up comedy in his monthly show, Linda at Niko's Wine Bar, ripping out a new Type 5 every single month. Growing not only as a stand up, but as a well rounded, multi hyphenate. And for us, well, our goal with the podcast was to always have it feel tonally like it's just friends catching up, bonding over the insanity of the industry and having a productive yet relaxed catch up. And I think we finally did it with this one. Enjoy. [00:01:44] Speaker C: I went to Babylon two nights ago. Like a late night random screening, the movie Babylon. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Me thinking, I was like, she's jet set. She's jet set. [00:01:53] Speaker C: Okay. [00:01:54] Speaker A: Babylon. Oh, that's like an ancient place. [00:01:55] Speaker B: It's an ancient place. [00:01:56] Speaker C: Okay. [00:01:56] Speaker A: And it's a Lady Gaga, which is what I thought of first. [00:01:59] Speaker B: We all have sort of different cultural [00:02:01] Speaker A: understanding [00:02:04] Speaker B: and that's what the movie is about. [00:02:05] Speaker C: Yeah, the movie. [00:02:06] Speaker A: The movie is about that. It's amazing. [00:02:07] Speaker C: But there's a large part of that movie where they're. I mean, it's like the best scene in that movie. I think it's so funny when they like sound becomes a thing and they're trying to get that. Like that first take with sound. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Oh, right. How Hard it is to do so [00:02:22] Speaker C: hot and everyone's freaking out. [00:02:24] Speaker A: I watched Amsterdam with my little sister, thinking it was Babylon. And then about half, because they did came out at the same time. [00:02:32] Speaker B: It was like thought of as sort of bombs, of course. Box office wise. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Box office wise. Box office wise. And yeah, halfway through, I was like, this is not the movie I thought I was watching. And we just kind of kept watching Amsterdam. [00:02:44] Speaker C: I never saw Amsterdam. Did you see Amsterdam? [00:02:45] Speaker B: No, no, no, I didn't. But I feel like the cast was great. Right? [00:02:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I remember it being like a crazy cast. [00:02:51] Speaker A: It was. [00:02:52] Speaker C: But I couldn't tell you. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Couldn't really tell you. [00:02:54] Speaker C: Margot. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Margot, question mark. Margo. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Margo. [00:02:57] Speaker A: No, no. But that's, that's what I think was confusing about it. Same time location names. Right. What is Babylon? [00:03:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:06] Speaker A: And Margo. And Margo. What is Amel? Amsterdam. Amsterdam. Amsterdam. [00:03:10] Speaker C: Amsterdam makes sense. Like Amsterdam. Okay. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Anya Taylor was in. [00:03:14] Speaker C: Girl. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:03:15] Speaker C: She's great. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Love her. Love her. Yeah. Yeah. [00:03:18] Speaker C: Okay. [00:03:18] Speaker B: Well, I, I. Yeah. [00:03:20] Speaker A: Johnny. Well, well, well, here we are again. Welcome back. [00:03:24] Speaker C: Yeah, welcome back. [00:03:25] Speaker A: You were. [00:03:26] Speaker C: What episode do we have? [00:03:27] Speaker A: Like, literally y. [00:03:29] Speaker B: First 10 for sure. [00:03:30] Speaker C: Current. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Young. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, my God. [00:03:33] Speaker C: And we're at like, this is, this will be 360something 60s. [00:03:37] Speaker A: 67. [00:03:38] Speaker B: Which is over a year, famously. [00:03:41] Speaker A: 60 weeks. [00:03:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Thank you. [00:03:43] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:03:44] Speaker B: You were super formative. We were just talking outside about how, Luke, I don't know if you remember this, but in our sort of conception of the podcast, we were like, how structured is it going to be? And we had Johnny because we knew he's just such a good sport. We had Johnny, like, right out. [00:03:59] Speaker C: And you're like, we need Johnny. [00:04:01] Speaker B: Johnny. Johnny's. We're like, write it on an outline of exactly what you want to talk about and just walk us through basically how to. I think it was like, how to be a start. How to start stand up comedy. [00:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:12] Speaker B: And it was so structured. And after that episode we were like, that was amazing. [00:04:16] Speaker A: We're probably not going to do structure. Well, someone DM'd me recently and he was like, how do I get into stand up comedy? And I said, not to sound literally crazy, but I did a podcast on this that I actually think is kind of fierce. [00:04:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker A: And I sent it to him. And then after he said, that's exactly, I will follow your podcast. And I said, thank you. [00:04:33] Speaker C: So he listened to it. [00:04:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess. [00:04:35] Speaker C: I hope he did. [00:04:35] Speaker A: And then he said, do you have any shows in D.C. coming up? [00:04:38] Speaker B: There you Go. You said, I can, I can. [00:04:41] Speaker A: I said, I'll get back to you. How many people can you. How many people can you bring? [00:04:45] Speaker B: It was talked about that. We talked about the hamster wheel. That was a big thing. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. [00:04:50] Speaker B: We love that metaphor. [00:04:51] Speaker C: The big one was because I feel like we've said this to so many guests after. But like, you were like, I'm thinking about putting on a stand up show. [00:05:00] Speaker A: So I just said this to White Outside. I was like. Because I listened to the episode embarrassingly like a few days ago. Cause I was like, I don't want to repeat stuff and I want to like, see like, whatever. And it was so crazy to be like, we're thinking about starting the stand up show. We might do it on the east side. And I'm like, oh my God, you did it. So crazy. [00:05:15] Speaker B: And it's been more than 12 months. Yeah, we've done it of Linda. Do you want to give like a little, you know, quick recap of. [00:05:22] Speaker A: We throw a monthly comedy show called Linda A comedy show. We start it by doing a cold open as these mom characters. Then we do, yeah, we do like seven minutes as the moms. Then it's just like five LA standup comics and then us doing our little sets. Me and my partner, B.B. katsinas, Friend of the Pod has been [00:05:36] Speaker C: on the pod and festival shoes and festival year one. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Year one, we were really the OGs. But yeah, so that's the show. I throw a show. It's in Atwater Village on the east side, which is like where I say in the podcast, I'm like, oh, we think it would be like suited on the east side or somewhere. It's at Nico's in Atwater Village. Such a great venue. So great. And yeah, we've had a fully sold out run for over a year now. Yeah, we started in April of 2025 and then we just started our little summer hiatus. Our last show of the year was in May, I think so far. Yeah. Yeah. [00:06:07] Speaker C: What was it like listening to that first, like the episode? [00:06:11] Speaker A: Totally. [00:06:11] Speaker B: When you're talking about like the dream of doing a monthly show. [00:06:14] Speaker C: Totally. [00:06:15] Speaker A: It's so crazy how some of it feels dated in the way of just like things moving on. Like, I talk a lot about the comedy club that I worked at and like that's closed down now. And I talk about like the system that's used to sign up for open mics and that's new now. And I'm like, oh my God. But it was like, it was Like, a little time capsule to, like, listen back to, for sure. And then I think the thing with Linda is, like, I really didn't know what I was getting into when I started. I didn't realize, like, what. How big of a part of my life it would become. Which is actually, funny enough, what I said about Stand up in that original thing, I was like, oh, this kind of wasn't supposed to be a huge part of my life. And I think something I've learned for myself is, like, for me to get into something and to really start doing something, I actually have to, like, not realize how big of an undertaking it is, because the second I do, I just don't start, you know? So I'm so lucky that, like, Linda came into my life in that way. [00:06:57] Speaker B: And you're kind of like, this will be like, a side thing, a small thing. I have a partner with it. And now it's like. [00:07:03] Speaker A: It's like one of the. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Every month is like, beginning of the month. You're like, okay, finish that show. What is the show? Because also, a thing you and BB do is you make five minutes of new material. [00:07:13] Speaker A: Five minutes Material. [00:07:14] Speaker B: So in addition to that sort of mom sketch that you do in the beginning, where you're playing Valinda's, you also are both part of the lineup. [00:07:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:22] Speaker B: And you're doing. Is it a fresh vibe? [00:07:25] Speaker A: The only time I repeated was our final show because I was like, girl. It was just we. And we talked about this, and, like, I can get into. We're doing, like, a hiatus and stuff. And, like, towards the end, it did kind of become, like, pulling teeth to figure out new material. It really did, like. I was like, God, what am I talking about? So I finally gave myself some grace at the last month, and I was like, it's okay to, like, repeat something. I did, like, half of something I'd already done at Linda, and then I added to it, and I was, like, so happy with it. So, yeah, we do a fresh vibe. And it's been an amazing writing exercise, for sure. And it's gotten me, like, so much material, obviously. But, yeah, the last one, I did repeat my. My little thing, and it was fun. [00:08:02] Speaker C: I feel like in Stand up, though, that's a. You almost want to do that, right. Where it's like, you want to be polishing and polishing and polishing. And, like, by the end of 11 or seven, eight months, whatever it was. [00:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:14] Speaker C: You know, of fresh material, you can look at that and be like, okay, what was great? What wasn't? And you Guys were recording these shows. Yeah, I feel like I remember and like you can kind of pull from like what was really working and what wasn't, I guess. [00:08:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:27] Speaker C: Were you not? So every time you're doing fresh material, we just kind of just discard the. The show before that. [00:08:34] Speaker A: Or is it like that's something that BB and I talked about a lot. That was not a problem with the monthly show, but a reason that we wanted to take a little hiatus. Because as stand ups, you're supposed to be doing the same material over and over and over again to perform, affect it. So when you're writing a new five every month, you're kind of going on with like a 75% worked material, if that. And then you're like, you're saying immediately discarding it for the next month. So you're not perfecting this 15 minute setup. Yeah. [00:09:01] Speaker B: But it's also like a productive mental exercise. [00:09:06] Speaker A: So there's definitely so much benefit to it. And now I have probably like 30 minutes of material. Not like stunning, fabulous 30 minutes of material, but I have so much material that I now would love to just go and like, perfect and perfect and perfect and, and, and make really amazing, obviously. But yeah, that was definitely something that felt a little stagnant, a little hard with the monthly show at a certain point. Yeah, totally. [00:09:28] Speaker C: The goal going into Linda for you and probably mb I guess it's a shared goal. What was that? And then have you achieved that or are you now like, that remains the goal or the goal's so different now that I've done this, like, where's your [00:09:44] Speaker A: head at with that amazing question. Going back to what I said when it started, how not even knowing, like, what I was getting into, I don't know what my goal was. I was like, we're doing this thing. Like, it was truly to do something. And I think I do also talk about this on the first podcast that it was like, stand up I kept doing almost accidentally because you could just keep going outside and doing it. So it was kind of just like, right, the next step is like, have a show. Because at that time I was working at that comedy club that was like so insane. And I was like hosting their open mics and like on the hamster wheel. And I also talk about this on the last Hollywood. It's like you realize it's up to the host to throw an amazing show. So we just got to the point where we're like, right, well, it's us. Like, we're doing all these like shows that are Just run so insane and flopping crazy. We know we can put on a good show if you just put in a little more effort, you know, it could be a great show. [00:10:29] Speaker B: And you guys did that. Like, Linda was very. [00:10:32] Speaker C: Even from the first one. From the first one. [00:10:34] Speaker A: From the first one. [00:10:35] Speaker C: From the first one. [00:10:36] Speaker B: I know that you guys put a lot of work into that, and I know for a fact that you guys had. And we can get into this. Amazing comedians on some of your idols in a lot of ways, who then after the show would be like, this is one of the best. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Like, we would hear from comics, like, they would be like, oh, I heard that your show is, like, the best show. And I was like. And it is like, I, I, I, I. There was such a good show. And it's not. [00:11:00] Speaker B: It's like you just put a little more effort into it. [00:11:02] Speaker A: And that's, I think, such, like, a BB mentality that I've really taken on. She's like, it doesn't have to be that hard. She's such a great producer, an amazing producer. We put a lot of effort into Linda. Like, I'll be honest, it takes up so much of my month when we were doing it, but it's not impossible. And I think going back to what was my goal with it, I guess that was really the initial goal of we want to be consistently doing stand up at a good show. And we definitely got that for sure. Yeah. So I definitely feel like I achieved that initial goal with Linda. And that's kind of a reason that I feel like the hiatus is really helpful, because it's allowing us to be like, okay, now what's the goal now that we did this? What's the goal now? And when we started Linda, we weren't even planning on doing these mom characters. Bebe was like, what if we tried this, like, mom character thing in the beginning? If it doesn't work, we'll just come out as ourselves. The next show. We were like, sure. And now we're, like, getting booked on other shows as the mom characters. That's crazy. [00:11:53] Speaker B: We went to the first Linda, I think we saw them, and then we were immediately like, we have to get them. Four. Fifty. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Fifty. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:11:59] Speaker C: Oh, right. [00:12:00] Speaker A: Well, that was our. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:12:01] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:12:02] Speaker A: It was like a month into doing it. Yeah. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Took a medium to small by the. [00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Sorry, the buttons. This is not a sitting. [00:12:08] Speaker B: People. [00:12:08] Speaker A: People like this. Okay. Amazing to my guys out there. Yeah. [00:12:12] Speaker B: People really. We saw that right away, and we were like, we have to get them on 50 50. That was the first time I think [00:12:20] Speaker A: you guys performed out, of course. [00:12:22] Speaker B: And now you're like a hireable act. [00:12:23] Speaker C: You've performed with me. [00:12:26] Speaker B: Like, it's crazy. [00:12:28] Speaker C: It's amazing. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Before we get to sort of these next steps, whether it's with Linda, with, you know, just the future, sort of what's going on this summer, I want to talk about Community because I know that was a big through line in terms of finding community within the stand up scene. Totally in la, west side versus east side, all that stuff. And you were, you had just graduated practically. You were just figuring that out. [00:12:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:51] Speaker B: Do you think Linda provided that sort of sense of community for you? [00:12:54] Speaker A: For sure. [00:12:55] Speaker B: And what was that like? [00:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah, so I think now it's like that's how people know us, like in stand up, which is really, really nice. [00:13:02] Speaker C: And just as stand ups or as the producers of a show, I think [00:13:07] Speaker A: as producers of a really fierce show. And then like people who also do stand up, if that makes literally any sense. Like, I don't know, it's just like. Yeah, it's a good like, especially because [00:13:15] Speaker B: it's a common thing to like host a show and produce it. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Yes, totally. Especially at a venue like Nico's. It's really nice to be. Oh, I host a show at Nico's, people immediately know what that is and that's really nice because of you guys. Yeah, Mama put the girl on the map. But yeah, so people definitely like with Nico's is they throw a lot of standup now and yeah, community kind of what I said in the last episode, but now I've seen it is the east side is definitely where we belong in terms of like weird, weird stand up comedy. It's definitely hard for me because I don't live on the east side so I do still go to a lot of west side mics. Like me and my straight guys, my like 30 year old straight guys. But Bebe's own a really, really amazing stand up community and she also just really loves the stand up scene. I've talked about this with her. She's mistapped in Boots, the House and it's so, it's so amazing. And she like knows all these people that she wants to have on the show and stuff. [00:14:00] Speaker B: Stand up and improv and improv and the world. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I told her once because my friend Theresa and I were talking just about career stuff and my friend Teresa was like, every time I go on an agency's page, a comics page of short films page, followed by BB Katsina and I'm like, yes, because she is mistapped in boots. And, like, it really is very inspiring. So she's definitely found such an amazing standup community and she goes to, like, you know, the east side, like, who's. Who. Mike's. You know. Yeah. I'm not like, it's so funny. I still always feel like stand up is such an accident for me. Like, I'm not someone. I told baby this, that. Like, I'm not like, diving into the standup scene in that way. I feel like an actor who does stand up, if that makes sense. But yes, we definitely have founded such an amazing stand up community through Linda, for sure. Yeah. Period. [00:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I remember like the Natalie Ortega episode where we talked about, oh, that's mother. Yeah, she's amazing. But she's always been actor first. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Totally. [00:14:55] Speaker B: And she was kind of like, it was like during COVID in New York when she was like, let me just like, like, get up. Just like, it's a way to perform and like, yes. Work those muscles. [00:15:03] Speaker C: And she wanted more comedic roles. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Getting cast in a certain way. She was like, I want. I don't see myself as this. And I. I know I can. I have these comedic chops. How do I prove that? [00:15:14] Speaker A: Yes, totally. [00:15:15] Speaker B: It was a way. It was a way for her to, like, you know, expand as an actor. [00:15:19] Speaker A: Totally. And when she was. Did Linda Beebe was like, oh, yeah, she's just coming from doing Nessa on Broadway in Wicked. I was like, fierce crazy. [00:15:26] Speaker C: Totally. [00:15:27] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, it's a great calling card. It really is. I think a lot of people. Not her, obviously, because she's like, she has like her whole hour or something. [00:15:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Like, some people will say, like, I do stand up as a means to an end. And I'm like, girl, it's a shitty means to an end. You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of a rough means to an end. Like people being like, oh, I want to do stand up, and then that will, like, showcase me in other ways and, like, launch me in some way. But I'm like, girl, it's a lot of work to be doing that as a means to an end, you know? I mean, like, I've had people say that to me. I'm like, wow, that's. That's gaggy. Go you if you want to go out and do all that. [00:15:53] Speaker C: Like, even in Natalie's case, I guess I don't want to speak for just assuming of, like, using that as a foundation. [00:16:00] Speaker A: Oh, tool. [00:16:02] Speaker C: Totally. [00:16:02] Speaker A: You know what I think it is. And this is not Natalie at all. There's people that are up there. You're like, you don't love this. Like you're not about this game. [00:16:07] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [00:16:07] Speaker A: Whereas Natalie has carved out something that's so her. [00:16:10] Speaker C: I was about to say that's very authentic. [00:16:12] Speaker A: That's the thing. Like I think it's. Yeah, yeah. So she, that's nothing about her in that way. But it just made me think of when people are like, yeah, I don't know, maybe I'll try stand up. It's kind of like I'm like, mama, [00:16:20] Speaker C: you gotta love it. [00:16:21] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, you really have to be that girl. Yeah, totally, totally. [00:16:24] Speaker C: I mean from a programmers perspective, like through the festival. Yeah, like watching so many short films, I'm just, It's fresh because we're, we have the horror fest coming up. So I'm consuming a lot of short films right now. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:37] Speaker C: You can tell from the first 10 seconds of a short film. Of a short film. [00:16:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:42] Speaker C: Does this person. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Are you in it for the. [00:16:44] Speaker C: Actually care about film or not? [00:16:47] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, totally. [00:16:49] Speaker C: Which is interesting. And you feel that in stand up immediately too. [00:16:52] Speaker A: Totally, totally. [00:16:53] Speaker C: You know, like, are they up there and they look glazed over, you know, I mean like it's just. Yeah, you're not here for it. [00:16:58] Speaker A: Totally. But stand up can be a really, really great calling card in that way if you like love it and you're obsessed with it. [00:17:03] Speaker C: How does it become a calling card though? Because I, and I, I guess it's a throwback to the old episode that the original episode was yourself. But if you do open mics and hopefully you start bookings, like how does that even. [00:17:14] Speaker A: Totally. Well, you know what's helped me, like it sounds so dumb but like even when I did Maria's short film, the like the one that was in 50 50, like I, by the way, listen to that episode where you guys talk about me and you if it's the sweetest, kindest thing ever. And I didn't even realize the story that like she saw me do stand up and she was like, oh, I want him in my short film. I like didn't even really realize that. Or like this other thing that I'm. [00:17:33] Speaker B: That's one way though. [00:17:33] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. This other thing that I'm about to go film is someone that I met who I was like, oh, come to my show, Linda. And then she saw Linda and she was like, oh, I know what you do. Going back to like what I was saying about Natalie. It's like if you're going on there and being exactly who you are on stage, people know where to place you. And I think like that's helped me a lot. It's been able to meet in my head to be like, alright, this is who I am. And like this, it's like you're showing like an acting reel for like five minutes. Like this is who I am. You know what I mean? Like go and be yourself. So I think it could. Yeah. Clips for sure have been a calling card for so many people. Yeah. It's just, it's the most. Like yourself you can be, you're just on stage with the mic, you know, if you're doing it well. [00:18:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker A: The rules are slaying. [00:18:07] Speaker C: That's such a great point. We've said this before but if like everyone's always like, oh, you know, it's about being in the right place at the right time. [00:18:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:14] Speaker C: And Stand up allows you to be in a lot of different places at a lot of different times, you know, and there's recency bias where it's like I'm casting for a comedic short film or a movie coming out and I'm like thinking about the characters and I go to a stand up show and I'm like, oh shit. [00:18:28] Speaker B: I also think that as someone who works at a production company, it's so important for me to go and see Stand Up. [00:18:35] Speaker A: Totally. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Because I, I always like, I sometimes I'm able to like I can see a pilot in that. [00:18:39] Speaker A: I remember you said that about cranky mom Mary who. Yay. Best person ever. Oh my God. I will connect you guys. She's the most. But she's the best person. [00:18:47] Speaker B: But like someone. Because Stand up is so you're. Especially if you're you know, doing like a 15 minute thing. Your act is your, that's your story in a lot of ways. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Totally. [00:18:57] Speaker B: So as a producer and writer, to see someone's story is like, there's something there. Like especially like a big goal for me is like to make a sitcom surrounding a community. So like how can I do that? Yeah, it's. I just think it's so personal. [00:19:12] Speaker C: Story and voice. [00:19:13] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Because like character is so much about voice as well as stories, the context of that voice. But like when you're doing it right, which you are there and I guess turning it into a question, a bit of like, do you think Linda was able to get you there or do you think you went into Linda kind of already having a sense of that voice? [00:19:31] Speaker A: Oh, I Think I have. I definitely had a sense of that voice, and I think I'm someone that always has had a really good sense of who I am because I was acting as a kid, and I had a really good sense of who I was. Because you're kind of, like, being told who you were as a kid, like, oh, this is what you out for. But I think the more you get on stage, the more you're gonna develop that regardless. I talked about this in the last episode too, that I keep referencing, but it's like the hosting that opened my. At that comedy club that's now closed was just like, boot camp of just, like, getting on stage, getting on stage, getting on stage. And Linda was just like, more of that, more of that, more of that. So, yeah, I think just the more you do anything, you just, like, slowly start to pick out, oh, this is who I am. This is who I am. And now I feel like I have a just, you know, the clearest sense I've had so far of who I am, and that will keep happening. [00:20:10] Speaker C: That's like. It's so. It's almost unfortunate how much it makes sense. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:20:16] Speaker C: Yeah, this is. [00:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah, this is. But we were expecting that. [00:20:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it's okay. [00:20:21] Speaker A: This is what we don't do buttons. I know buttons, but also the shirts just wrinkle, dude. They just. They just [00:20:29] Speaker C: mean, like, T shirt, like, [00:20:31] Speaker A: when we wear shirts. [00:20:31] Speaker C: But it is. It's okay. Yeah, we're not looking. Yeah, okay. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Maybe. I mean, this is hell right now for me, but it's okay. [00:20:38] Speaker C: It looks great. [00:20:38] Speaker A: Thank you. Seriously, Queen. But okay. [00:20:41] Speaker C: It looks great. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:20:45] Speaker C: But I guess the point was levite, like, output is output, and. Yeah. Refining leads to, like, every single year. If you're doing it, you should be at this place of, like, I know myself a little bit more. I know myself a little bit more. [00:20:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:59] Speaker C: You know? [00:21:00] Speaker B: Yes. As long as there's output, whatever that is. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Totally do something. Like, this sounds. I. I don't mean this to sound, like, stupid in any way, lol. Obviously. But I was talking to a friend who was feeling really stuck in her career, and I said to her, I was like, I don't want this to sound condescending, but my advice is do something. Something. Step one. Step one. Totally. [00:21:17] Speaker C: Because something. Can you, like, be super practical about that? [00:21:20] Speaker A: But honestly, something like. I know that sounds so dumb, but, like, I think a lot of people get caught up. Where is this gonna go? Where is this gonna be seen? Write two minutes of a scene and film it and put it on your Instagram, go to one open mic. Literally something like, pick the field you want to be, you want to act, submit to one project on actors access. Just do something. Because something leads to something else. And it sounds so simple and so small. But like, as someone who felt stuck for so, so, so long, Linda has just like really unstuck me in so many ways because one thing leads to another thing in a way you could just never expect, you know. So, yeah, that's. That would just be my advice to anyone who feels stuck in a creative career. Do something. [00:22:01] Speaker B: I think it's. And I, I have so much empathy for that stuck position because I think, I think especially with social media, it's a unique sort of paralysis that our generation goes through. Right? [00:22:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:12] Speaker B: It seems like it's so accessible, which it is. But at the same time, you are seeing the best. Like, everybody's going on reals. You're seeing the best of them. You're only seeing. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Oh, that was the idea I had. [00:22:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:22:22] Speaker A: You're only seeing stuff that someone did it. [00:22:24] Speaker B: And it's a proven track record that has already has tens of thousands. And you're, you're like, well, they, they've done it. I, like, I can't do it. Like, I. [00:22:34] Speaker A: A huge wake up call for me was I had this thing that I'd written for a while I kind of sitting on because, like, I wasn't really inspired by it and whatever, whatever and Linda and all this stuff. And then I watched someone's thing and the first scene of this thing was basically the first scene of my thing. And I was like, wow. Like, you were like almost line for line be beaten. And it really, it really inspired me to be like, do it. You have the thought. Do it. You have a thought. Put it out. Like, it just, it really. I was like, wow. Like, it was such a wake up call moment for me. And I was like, okay, period. Like, you have to do what feels [00:23:04] Speaker B: sort of like how to survive the content machine. [00:23:06] Speaker A: Totally. [00:23:07] Speaker C: There's, there's, it's such a double ed sort because you want to be super intentional. And I think once you do make your first thing. [00:23:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:15] Speaker C: You realize how much time and effort and energy it takes. And so everything after that, you're totally. You think about it and you're like, well, well, this is actually going to cost a lot. And it's going to require me to put all these people together and timing and the back end, like editing. And then I have to like distribute it, of course. And you start slowing getting Kind of muddy. And it's like, you know what? Maybe I'll think about this other thing. And then you get lost for X amount of months and not doing anything. And so it's just crazy. But it's like, you don't want to put anything bad out. But we're also at our age group. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Literally put something bad out. Like, literally put something flop out. The louder. What did someone say recently on like, truly an Instagram reels, like, the loud fool is making more money than the silent genius. And it's. It's such tea. Like, girl, put something out. Like clippable cliff farming. But genuinely kind of what I was saying before, it's too clipboard my next episode. But truly, like, that's what I was saying before. It's like everything I've ever gone into is because I didn't know how much work it was going to be. Because you're right. When you start to think about how much work it's going to be, you don't do it. Like, I think about my senior year of college. I was so inspired and motivated and I was writing amazing stand up. And I was writing. Yeah, I was writing. I did these two short films. Films so quickly. And it's because I didn't. I was just like, of course. I was like, of course we're gonna do. And that's with Linda. I didn't know how much work. If I knew how much work it was gonna be ignorance, you would have never done it. Totally. So there is like some beginner's luck element in that way. But I think that's why I've kind of come to the conclusion of, like, make it and make it bad. Yes, make it and make it bad. And. And just put it out and. Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker C: Period. Yeah. I'm to hop. I'm sorry. No, please. I'm writing a few things right now. And I have been pushing myself. What's the worst version of this? [00:25:01] Speaker A: Totally. [00:25:02] Speaker C: And I just. I'm like, yeah. You know, and it's a very different. They're short. I'm not. I wouldn't say that with the feature. I'd like break down scenes with that. Like, what's the worst version of this line of dialogue? [00:25:12] Speaker A: Or something. [00:25:12] Speaker C: But, like, I'm trying to take the pressure off in a very different way because I. I'm definitely in the boat of like, I've seen this. I know how much time stuff takes, how much money, energy, effort, all of it. And so it's, yeah, getting muddy. But pushing myself just to ask what is the worst version of this takes that. It's just like, why not? [00:25:30] Speaker B: You know, it's so. It's so funny because, like, those. When you're thinking. When you're thinking, I'm gonna write a screenplay. [00:25:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Your producer mind comes in right away. Immediately you're like, yes. What's the overall quality of this? How much is it gonna cost? And that producer mind almost, like, causes you to not write. Yeah. It's like, you have to, like, push that away. [00:25:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:50] Speaker B: And just allow yourself to be like, there's something about being an artist that is so impulsive in a beautiful way. Like, you have to just follow that and blindly not care about, like, how much it's gonna cost, how much time it's gonna take me, how many hours I should be working. Like, all that needs to go out the window, and you just need to learn how to fail, you know? [00:26:08] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Put the flop thing out. Like, please do. A lot of other people are, and they're doing really well with it. [00:26:13] Speaker B: You gotta hear that constantly. I had a similar situation in college. My output was. Was insane. I was, like, putting so many sketches, everything out there. And then even you and I were, like, putting stuff out there and filming so much. [00:26:24] Speaker A: You don't know, right? [00:26:26] Speaker B: You don't know. [00:26:26] Speaker C: You're like. You don't know. We want to do this, so we're gonna do it. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Exactly. And now we're like, well, we have to make money. We have a whole life. We have jobs, everything. [00:26:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah. All these reasons to not do it. [00:26:37] Speaker A: To not do it. [00:26:38] Speaker B: And I think so many people are just, like, you know, shuttered by that. [00:26:41] Speaker A: Also, like, it doesn't have to look so fab. Everything looks so fab and perfect. And there's so much money right now, like, going through the whole, like, I'm so Famesick pilled right now. Lena Dunham. I don't know if you guys are really Famesick, but she had this, like, web series or whatever it was called, like, 4 Fab Girls or, like, 3 Funny Friends. And it was, like, on YouTube or, like, the. The Broad City. YouTube. YouTube series. Now, obviously, they got their series. I'm like, it looks crazy, but it's, like, funny. And there's a lot of heart in it. You know what I mean? And, like, that's what you need. Like, put something out. Put something out. It's just. Yeah, that's how I feel about that. [00:27:13] Speaker C: I love that. And it's super fun. It's inspiring, just sitting here, you know? And it's because we're all, we're all in that boat, you know, like, we just gotta push and do it. [00:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:23] Speaker C: On the note of ignorance, it's so unfortunate because like you hear it back in the day of like, oh, you'll see like for now, like, yeah, it's whatever, but like the muscle atrophies quickly of taking risks and doing it because comfort is, is so comfortable. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Totally, totally, totally. [00:27:42] Speaker C: And safe and like, you know, it's a monthly show and I've never done something like that. So let's do it now. Would you do a monthly show? [00:27:49] Speaker B: We'll be right back. [00:27:55] Speaker C: I want to play like a scary song from like a horror movie before this. But all the copyright stuff. So I can't but imagine there's like a scary song playing right now. And it's like, oh, the 5050 horror festival coming up. You need to submit your short film soon by August 7th. August 7th is the deadline. You have two months to submit your short film. You have two months. And then after that there's another deadline. Read it here first. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Submit now. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Submit now if you dare. No, but for real, we have our horror festival coming up in October. October 18th is the actual day. Get your short in by August 7th if you want to be a part of it. We look forward to viewing your submission on Film Freeway 5050 horror. Those are the numbers. 5050 horror. [00:28:57] Speaker A: If you asked me to start a brand new monthly show, I would be like, no. A for the work it takes, but also for the goal. That's not really the goal for me specifically. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Well, you don't have to yet. You have. [00:29:09] Speaker C: Exactly. You already have one. That's true. So what, what is the goal? [00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah, so basically, like I said, how when we started Linda, we weren't even sure we were doing these mom characters. And now I think that's become like the part of the show is like the mom characters. Like that's kind of the gag. So I don't want to say like exactly what it is. Like I told by it outside a little bit and like, I just don't want to. You know, we have other avenues of Linda in the works, avenues that we're so excited about and really cool things that I hope, hope, you know, materialize. But it's also been really nice to be booked on other shows as the Linda's. Like, that's been really, really great. And it's just, it's allowed us to meet so many people. Like, yeah, a reason we're taking this hiatus is to kind of take a break from Be like, how do our lives feel without. Of it, without it, what's the current goal and what are we really getting out of it? You know what I mean? [00:29:59] Speaker B: And like sit with yourselves too. We talk about all those five minute segments and you're gonna wanna like look back at those and be like, what were those little like golden nuggets of life experiences to. Right. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Stand up about? You know what I mean? Totally, totally, totally. Go like, you have to go out and like live your life, you know what I mean? And, and I feel like I wasn't living super a lot of life. So like I said it was. It felt like pulling teeth to do. It's not like it's. It's down. So cheesy advice. But every actor says this, you need to live your life to be able to create from it. And it sounds like, oh, I'm being lazy right now by going to the club. But it's like, you have to go to the club. Like, we should be at the club. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So I think that's another great thing of the height. Yeah, but it's a good question. It's like I definitely would not start a new monthly show. And that was something I really asked myself. Okay, what am I getting out of the show right now? [00:30:43] Speaker C: Yeah. And I, I think I was understanding of that of like, again, you already have a monthly show, but more in the sense of like, okay, you know, now knowing what you do. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:54] Speaker C: And like, perhaps as you said, you know yourself a little bit more even too. You just mentioned this with Linda's. What are you thinking, Michael, as Johnny Parks. Like, are you. And where's your head at? Yeah, with, you know, end of summer is a couple months away, whatever. And this new year is coming. [00:31:10] Speaker A: Totally. So I think like, my newest venture is I am like an Instagram reels comic now. [00:31:14] Speaker B: There you are. Are we gonna talk about it? [00:31:17] Speaker A: We can unfortunately talk about it. We can talk about it. We can talk about it because. So I think we had lunch or drinks with Arthur and Andrew, my kings of my life. And we were talking a lot about things and one of the things I was saying in that was like, I'm seeing everyone get so successful on social media and then get all these amazing opportunities. And I think I kind of have this mentality that was like, everyone's doing that and succeeding, but then I just flip my mentality. Like, everyone's doing that and succeeding. Like, you know, like there's a path, like there's something to do. Totally. So I Think like a current thing for me is that. Yeah. Also I found a way to post these videos that, like, I genuinely really enjoy and, like, I truly make myself laugh while I'm in the fun format. Yeah. And I will watch my videos and be like, I'm a Johnny Marks fan. Like, it's also like, totally. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Because you're an experienced stand up. [00:32:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Like, it is very writing. It's joke heavy. [00:32:06] Speaker A: Also, talk well, here's the tea. And here's the tea. Okay, so get ready to clip this. Get ready to clip this. But so talking about, like knowing yourself, sometimes I'll see people go super, super viral in ways that I'm like, this is generally relatable content that tells me nothing about you. And then I pull a lot from my inspirations, like Meg Stalter, Jordan Firstman, who got really popular making these online videos showing exactly who they were and showcasing themselves. So when Meg Stalter is doing her bits online, her hi Gay, which is like one of her first, like big videos, you could see that girl and be like, I need her to act in something because, like, I now know who she is. And not just making content that's generally gonna go super, super viral and get like a lot of shares. So not to like hype myself up, but I do feel like in my videos I showcase who the Johnny Marks character is. I showcase how I can kind of like perform a little and like jokes. Like, oh, I can also write jokes, you know. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Totally. [00:33:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:04] Speaker B: And they're they're basically totally, literally, like from what I've seen, like the caption is the premise and then it's punchline. [00:33:11] Speaker A: Totally. It's like a mini set or a mini sketch. Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker C: How much prep did you do going into this? [00:33:17] Speaker A: Totally. So it was something in my head for a while that like I really wanted to do, but I was kind of getting in my own way about it. And then one day I was posting something on my close friend story, just like a little video of me, like explaining something. And I was like, oh, I look really good right now. I should just take one of these videos. So I did. I thought it was gonna be something that I was gonna have to like write and sit down and like, whatever. But like on the couch that I was on, I just did like a quick little. Just held the camera in different ways and just started saying little one liners, edit it together and posted it. And that's what I do now with all of them. I sit down. It takes me 15 minutes. [00:33:47] Speaker C: So no writing. [00:33:48] Speaker A: No writing. [00:33:48] Speaker C: You're on it. [00:33:49] Speaker A: I have a notes app on my phone of concepts, but in terms of the writing. And you'll see, like, if you. If there was. Let's say I showed you the video without the cuts, I'll like say two things and I'll be like, all right, what else? But what else? No, no, no. And I just go into the next line. Like, it's. It's literally all improv and it's all just me saying things in the moment. [00:34:05] Speaker B: If you're in that creative flow state. Like, that's. [00:34:07] Speaker A: So the hard part about standup on social media is, okay, let's say for a whole month I write a set, then I go do a five minute set at Lynda and I get that recorded. Let's say three minutes is great and usable content. I clip that into three clips and then I have three clips to post that month that I put a month of work into and they all flop. And we're like, amazing. So it's so much better. The advice I've always heard about social media is post every day. You have to be posting every day. You can't post stand up every day. So doing these videos, I post three a day and it's like. And then if they all flop one day, I'm like, who cares? It took me 15 minutes, you know. [00:34:42] Speaker C: Really? [00:34:42] Speaker A: You're posting three a day? We know you got to be hopping on is Instagram trial reels. You could post reels to people that are not your followers. So if they bomb who gaff. No one's seeing it. And also, you're not inundating your followers with videos every day. So are you. [00:34:57] Speaker C: You're posting three. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Posting three. And then the ones that do well, I share my followers. Yes. Sorry, break it down. Yeah, yeah, totally. [00:35:05] Speaker C: Trial reels, basically. You got it. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So trial reels, you post them to people that don't follow you. [00:35:10] Speaker C: Right. [00:35:10] Speaker A: So I post three videos to trial reels because I. If they bomb, no one cares. No one that I know is seeing it. And also, I'm not inundating the people who I follow or who follow me. Three reels a day. So how are you utiliz? All three flop. Okay. I keep them on trial reels. Who cares if one of them does well? There's a button that says share to followers and I share to my followers. Yeah. So it's so fierce. And then like when I would post a stand up video and it wouldn't do well, I'd be so sad because I was like, God, this took up so much of my time, so much work. I really edited the video. I love this clip and it just wasn't doing well. But If I post three little skits that took me 15 minutes and they all flopped, that was 45 minutes of my day. You know what I mean? [00:35:52] Speaker C: Totally. Yeah, totally. [00:35:53] Speaker B: But I don't think it's like people should just hop straight to that. I think it's like, because you truly like. I do think creative process wise, you had to go through that putting on a show every month, getting real. Like, you're. You're not able to like improv going back to the trial reels unless you have got really refined your joke writing [00:36:12] Speaker A: process, going back to the whole like makes altar thing, Jordan Firstman thing. These were people that really like knew who they were and like started putting that down. [00:36:18] Speaker B: And writers and actors. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. I think a lot about like Jack Greenberg, who we had on Linda, who has created such an amazing specific thing for himself. E.J. marcus, who we had on Linda, has created such an amazing thing for himself. These people that I just saw and I was like, I like Jack Greenberg, what are they? [00:36:36] Speaker C: Or like the care. The Persona they are on Instagram. [00:36:38] Speaker A: So Jack Greenberg specifically, like, has such a Persona where he's. It's like, yeah, it's. It's crazy. Like, it's. It's like I told him at the show, I was like, I can't finish your videos. Like, it's so. They're so like the character is like guy at a party that's like, hi. Or like, oh, it's crazy. [00:36:53] Speaker B: Yeah. The guy who just like says in the most passive aggressive way that he's better than. [00:36:57] Speaker A: You know, it's just crazy. Yeah. And it's. They're so like uncomfortable but like, in the best way. And like, let's say I was writing something where I wanted that guy immediately. I'd be like Zuckerberg. Totally. So I would see people that like, my passion is not like day in the life content. My passion is not like me talking about just my daily life. Because. Because I want to showcase my writing, my performing and my personality in an actor way kind of. So I would just see people that really inspired me and I was like, okay, I like how they're doing it, so I can do it like this. Yeah, but like you said, you shouldn't just jump to that. I think you should really carve out for yourself, like, who am I? And I've been doing that for a while now, so it's easy to tap into. Yeah. Totally. [00:37:37] Speaker C: It's amazing. And how has it been seeing these numbers? [00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:37:42] Speaker C: Does it feel. This is really working? [00:37:44] Speaker B: Does it feel like, totally are? What's the response I'm getting? [00:37:48] Speaker A: You know what's really nice to, like, look through who's liked it and see it's like, all gay guys. And I'm like, that's the audience that I want to build. That's another thing. Knowing who you are, make sure you're building the audience you want to build so that when you put out your gay short film, all of your gay guy followers care to watch it. [00:38:02] Speaker C: You know, if you have that audience. Yeah. [00:38:06] Speaker A: So that's the thing. And, like, I got a comment yesterday that was like, I'm laughing so hard. I can't wait till my partner comes home so I can show him this and that. [00:38:12] Speaker B: I was just, like, so sweet. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Best thing ever. And to get, like, really nice dms, people have been, like, really sweet people have been like, this is what the gay community needs right now. I'm like, okay, go off my little videos. But, yeah, so it's really. [00:38:22] Speaker B: But it's also, like, these things are. It's personal to you. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Totally. [00:38:25] Speaker B: It's like, it's. It's genuinely like, you. [00:38:27] Speaker A: Totally you. [00:38:29] Speaker B: A lot of it is like, you know what you see on Grindr? Totally. It's like the frustration that you have with this. [00:38:35] Speaker A: And it's so nice to then have a million people comment and be like, yes, oh, my God, we're not all living. We're all living the same. Totally. So. So that's been really nice to see. And yeah, I think, like, specifically with gay guys, there's such a thing of, like, we don't support each other, everyone's jealous of each other. Like, I don't know. That's kind of how people talk about themselves. Then to see all my likes and comments being gay guys, I'm like, I don't think that's the case. You know what I mean? I actually think we're all so excited for each other and are all really similar in ways that we don't even let on. And it's been really, really amazing to see that. [00:39:00] Speaker C: How long have you been posting? Three times a day. [00:39:02] Speaker A: I started June 24, the day of my sister's graduation, I think. Well, it's been like, two weeks. Yeah, it's been like, a few weeks. [00:39:09] Speaker C: Why three times a day? [00:39:10] Speaker A: Totally, actually. Oh, but that's not true. I started maybe like, two weeks before that, because I think it took two weeks. And I was like, One did well. And that was the day of my sister's graduation. Okay, I'm sorry, we're saying why three times a day? [00:39:18] Speaker C: Yeah, why three times a day? And then also totally. Is three on trial reels mean three actually on Tick Tock or like, what is that on YouTube? [00:39:29] Speaker A: Zoe about to be us about to be at USA. My little sister isn't amazing. Yeah. But yeah, so three times a day. Because probably I literally just heard someone say that, like on a reel. [00:39:39] Speaker C: Is it at the same time, three days. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I posted right away. Time does not matter. Hashtags do not matter. You could post at 1am People are, guess what? Always on their phones. Someone's on their phone. Stop. When my totally. No, no, no, no. Oh my God. No, no. Because here's the trial. Here's the hot tea though. Yeah, here's the hot tea though. But like, okay, so here's the tea. Like, I believe in my standup clips so much. Like, I've never put out a stand up clip that I'm like I said I'm a Johnny Marks fan, but they just weren't doing well. And I was seeing so many other people with really funny standup clips just not doing well. And I've heard, heard Linda comics backstage who have big followings say stand up clips are just not doing well right now. Which is why everyone is going to this, this sketch format, because that's doing well. And that's the reason I decided to hop on that format because I was like, this isn't going to be the thing that's doing well for a while. So I might as well hop onto that. I think it honestly ebbs and flows with what people are staying on. When I was in college, everyone was doing standup on TikTok. That was before I started really doing stand up. Stand up. It was viral, viral, viral. You'd post it up, you go viral. I think what makes a video get seen to a lot of people, algorithm wise, is how many people skip it. If a lot of people are skipping it within the first three seconds, you get a really high skip rate you can see on your analytics, and they stop showing it to people. So I think people have become a little oversaturated with stand up to the point where they see someone with a mic and they skip it. And how do people feel about podcasting? It's hard. It really is. You know what I mean? I wish I, like, [00:41:07] Speaker B: I actually don't see. Yeah, it's probably just like a sort of industry thing. [00:41:10] Speaker A: It's not. [00:41:10] Speaker B: It has nothing to do with us. [00:41:12] Speaker A: But yeah, like I think that's kind of the good thing about the. But you know what I've seen even people do with podcasts, they'll put the like best tidbit right at the beginning. Almost like a coming soon and then they will start the clip. You know what I mean? So it's really about catching people's attention right away. Yeah, yeah, totally. Really? [00:41:27] Speaker C: Okay. [00:41:28] Speaker A: Period. [00:41:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:28] Speaker A: Slay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I see you guys also do a nice thing where like you post the caption in the beginning, like advice or whatever. Like that's nice. [00:41:35] Speaker C: Actual Instagram. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:41:37] Speaker C: Oh, full episode. [00:41:38] Speaker A: That's the thing. Yeah, yeah, no, totally. Yeah. You guys obviously do that for the full episode, but no, no, for real. [00:41:43] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [00:41:43] Speaker A: We don't do that for a real life. [00:41:45] Speaker B: This is so, so stupid. [00:41:47] Speaker A: It's crazy. [00:41:48] Speaker B: This is so like. [00:41:49] Speaker A: And it's, it's absolutely. [00:41:50] Speaker C: What? [00:41:51] Speaker B: It's short fused. [00:41:54] Speaker A: It's hell on earth. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Strange. Kids are like needing like. [00:41:58] Speaker A: I need to see the best part of the. My clip is by the way. [00:42:02] Speaker B: By the way clip is 15 seconds. That's way too long. I need the best part of the 15 seconds. Seconds. [00:42:07] Speaker A: By the way, what I use my old idea and I really. [00:42:11] Speaker B: And they need to see like Subway [00:42:12] Speaker A: Surfer next I was gonna say my old idea was I was gonna start putting Subway Surfer under my stand up clips. Like, but you know, like also that's. [00:42:19] Speaker B: We should put like some insane thing on. [00:42:21] Speaker A: You guys have to. Yeah, literally. [00:42:23] Speaker B: Yeah, we should put like zoo animals. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Sure. Cocomelon. Yeah, like that's the thing. It's, it's. It's unfortunate that sometimes this feels like the case, but. I don't know. Just something I'm trying right now. You know what I mean? [00:42:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:35] Speaker B: That's awesome though. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Totally, totally. [00:42:36] Speaker C: And you're already seeing results in this fashion of like, I don't know, it's been a few weeks. [00:42:40] Speaker B: So you give Arthur and Andrew credit for this. [00:42:43] Speaker A: I really do at that. Well, I think we have the best conversation any people ever. Kind of just like they're amazing. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Podcast guest. [00:42:50] Speaker A: No, we really. First thing we talked about was 5050 at the dinner. It was amazing. No, yeah, literally. We talked about truly everything. They're so inspiring. Oh my God. [00:43:00] Speaker B: We. [00:43:00] Speaker A: That should be serious. Getting drinks with Kaz. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Guests on guests. [00:43:03] Speaker A: Guests on guests. Yes. Get some guest. [00:43:05] Speaker C: Miles Hodder, who won the comedy festival [00:43:08] Speaker A: funniest person hit up Kate, who's also [00:43:11] Speaker C: at the comedy festival. And they, they wanted to do a director on director. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Wow. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Really? You guys should set up 50 50s directors on directors. That's so smart. Oh my God. This shirt is too small on me and it's really embarrassing to me. [00:43:22] Speaker C: We're going to do that. [00:43:23] Speaker A: But yeah, you guys should really do that. [00:43:24] Speaker B: The frame is just going to be zoomed in. [00:43:26] Speaker A: So embarrassing. [00:43:27] Speaker C: You guys. [00:43:27] Speaker A: That's an amazing idea. Oh my God. [00:43:30] Speaker C: Yes. [00:43:30] Speaker A: And they're such. They're such great people. Yeah, they're so funny. Yeah, yeah, totally. [00:43:35] Speaker C: Maybe, maybe we change the location. [00:43:37] Speaker B: Maybe we go to Canada for. [00:43:38] Speaker C: Go to Canada? [00:43:39] Speaker A: Yeah, of course. It needs to happen there. [00:43:42] Speaker C: Have you been to Canada? [00:43:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:43] Speaker C: Really? [00:43:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I went to Niagara Falls as a kid. [00:43:47] Speaker B: Luke didn't know that you grew up in New York? [00:43:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm from New York. New York girl. [00:43:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I really didn't know. Yeah. [00:43:53] Speaker A: Really? Yeah. [00:43:55] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:43:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Where do I go? [00:43:57] Speaker B: He just kind of like maybe new. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Really? She was actually a New York girl. Long Island. Shout out. [00:44:03] Speaker B: My girl. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Yeah, literally. But I went to high school in the city, which is what I say to sound cooler. That's cool. That's what I mean. [00:44:08] Speaker C: You want to go back because as a stand up and I know we spoke. [00:44:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I do. I do want to go back for sure. And I'll just like live my life in New York. [00:44:14] Speaker C: You seem like such an la. Really? Yeah. [00:44:16] Speaker A: I don't want to drive, which is like such a thing. I really don't know how to drive. I miss bus. Yeah. Literally. I. It's just like my favorite place ever. I was just home and I. The second I get off the train and I'm in the city, like, I just. It's like amazing. It's so fab. It's so fab and glam and it's just, just like, it's so fab. [00:44:31] Speaker B: I'm losing people. [00:44:34] Speaker A: So that's the thing. It's like once I move back to New York, like I will just kind of like live my life in New York. I just love New York. It's the best place in the world. [00:44:39] Speaker C: I can, I can really see that for you. And also standup wise. Comedy. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Amazing. Standup wise. Yeah, totally. There's such like a cool scene. That's the thing. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I love New York. Shout out my girl. [00:44:50] Speaker C: So are you thinking. Are you someone that thinks very long term? I could, I could see that for you if you're. You might. I feel like you're either the type of person that's like. Yeah, I'm thinking about my five year plan or if you're like, no way. I'm thinking about, I don't have to [00:45:04] Speaker A: put a timeline on anything because I do feel like that's setting yourself up for disappointment. Why have to do it by a specific age? That doesn't mean anything at all. Also, things take time and that's the process of the thing. That's the enjoyable part is the time it takes. So I don't like to put any timeline on anything, but I do know what I want to do. New in this life. Yeah, totally. Yeah, for sure. [00:45:28] Speaker C: I love that answer. Wyatt. I feel like is not that at all. [00:45:31] Speaker A: Are you miss. Are you miss timeline queen 2027? Yeah. [00:45:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Why? It's insane. He has note cards. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:37] Speaker C: Wall. He doesn't have any windows in his room. [00:45:39] Speaker A: Someone told me this once and I'm not sure if this was true, but they said that Rachel Sennott used to have a 10 year plan that she used to like show people at parties. Once again, don't know if this is true, but someone did tell me that like she was known for this and being like, I'm gonna have this by this and this by this. And my friend was really inspired by that and she was like, right, well, if I want to have two features in 10 years, that means one feature in five years. Yeah. And if I want to have one feature in five years, that means a short film. You know what I mean? Like it. And it was like, wow, that it could be helpful to set deadlines in a way. But I'm just not that girl. I'm like, I want to see what's happening in my life. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. [00:46:12] Speaker C: I love what you said about with Linda and like I guess returning to Linda, but you notice not really realizing how much of a. A take, you know, on your life. It would, it would hold but. Or have. But then once you're in it, you're in it and like you commit to it. [00:46:28] Speaker B: And I think the best way to go about. [00:46:30] Speaker C: But I think, I think being in your 20s is a lot about that and like letting yourself kind of put your nose up and like smell and follow a scent and like commit a [00:46:39] Speaker A: thousand percent of how much you have [00:46:42] Speaker B: changed in a year since the last time time you were on this podcast. That's amazing. And that's, that's like essentially the twenties. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Like you and I try everything and flop at everything. And this is the most basic thing that everyone says, but it's because it's true. You don't know who you Are. And you don't need to try everything, figure out who you are, try the thing, fail at it, be like, that was so embarrassing. I gave two years of my life to that thing. On to the next thing. Because that's what your 20s is. And also that's what like your life is. You know what I mean? Which is terrifying. Yeah, total. Totally. But it's so fun. It's so fun because then you could just be like, this is what I am. Do you know what I mean? [00:47:14] Speaker C: It's so. [00:47:15] Speaker A: You have to like, let yourself not be so rigid with it, because that's the life. That's life. [00:47:19] Speaker C: And it's not like you're moving to Mars. [00:47:23] Speaker B: No. [00:47:23] Speaker C: You know, metaphorically, like, it's. You're. Linda was a stand up show. You are. It's very within the boundary. That's, that's totally, totally. You know, it's like, that's it. Sure. You could be an accountant and then you can go jump in. Yeah. A journalist. And then like, I guess you could find a lot about yourself that big of jumps. But like, yeah, I feel like someone like yourself, you are exploring a lot, but you're also very much. Exactly. [00:47:49] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. [00:47:50] Speaker C: It seems like very, oh, my God, I'm now all the way over here. Now I'm all over here. But in reality it's like, and there [00:47:56] Speaker A: were times I felt that with Linda where I was like, oh my God, am I becoming like a comedy show producer? But it's like, who gaff and just move? Then you're like, oh, wait, okay, I don't want to be that anymore. But that's momentum. It's. [00:48:03] Speaker C: How do you use that, that train [00:48:06] Speaker B: of thought is like, am I becoming this totally? Like, it's like. [00:48:09] Speaker A: And it's so funny. [00:48:10] Speaker B: That's fun. [00:48:11] Speaker A: Yeah, totally. Like, my goals have changed. How I see myself has changed so much. And that's like, what. [00:48:16] Speaker B: And honestly, I do think, having seen, having worked for very successful people who have run companies, that is a mindset that they still hold. [00:48:26] Speaker C: Which is what? [00:48:26] Speaker B: Like, which is like, our clients are getting into this. Let's follow them there. Let's, let's, let's pivot and let's be able to, you know, know this thing is popping off that we never would expect. Let's put more resources into this. Like, we are, we are. Whatever we're getting good at, we can then go here. Like, it's a very, you have to be very open minded as, as a leader too. Even, even on the business side. [00:48:51] Speaker C: It's almost like the ability to reinvent yourself, but it's not tearing the rug out, it's adding to it a little bit. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Even our friends reframing yourself. Evie and I have two friends that also, they're a stand up show and we were getting drinks with them and they were like, oh, we're also on summer hiatus. We're like, really? They were like, yeah, we saw you guys do it and we were like, you could do that. And like, you know what I mean? Like, genuinely, it's okay. It doesn't have to be so like focused all in. [00:49:13] Speaker B: You're now like the famous for summer. Summer hiatus is like a fun name [00:49:18] Speaker A: for a summer hiatus. Yeah. [00:49:21] Speaker C: I mean this is, it can almost be like a. How to have a summer hiatus. Cuz it's so true of like I, I just turned 25 and I, I feel like. [00:49:28] Speaker A: Congrats. Thank you. Happy birthday. When was your birthday? A couple months ago. [00:49:33] Speaker C: Thank you. But I, I feel like for the first time in a while I've just had this sense of like it's cool to take a breath, you know. And we've spoken about this a lot. But if like I, I just traveled for a bit. But in that travel I was like, for the first couple weeks I did not touch my phone, I did not do any work. And I just realized how exhausted I was, you know, like how burnt out I really. But I had no, I mean it was like year last time I tried. But like I really had no idea how burnt out I actually was until I pulled myself out of it. And coming back there was this clarity of like, we're doing the thing. Like we're, we're doing our thing and like making stuff. And as long as we're nurturing these ideas and leading to action, rather than like, maybe I'll do something maybe I want and not doing it, that's just frying yourself and not good. But like as long as you're really like watering the things that need to be watered. Yeah, you can like, it's, it's good to kind of distance yourself at times and take a weekend trip to San Diego, you know, whatever it is. [00:50:38] Speaker A: I've always had this voice in my head that thinks self care and taking care of yourself is laziness. It's actually a necessary part of the creative process. You have to do it. Actually. It's not even like, oh, it's a good thing for you. It's part of the creative process. [00:50:50] Speaker B: There's been no artist who can keep going. [00:50:51] Speaker A: There's been no artist who can do that? Burnout is a. [00:50:54] Speaker C: And the ones that do does not end well. [00:50:58] Speaker A: The work is not there. Like, it's really true. I mean, boy, was I burned out at one point with Linda, but I didn't even know it. And I was just like, you're. You're lazy. You're this, you're that. No, it's. You actually need to take care of yourself. You need to go hang out with your friends. You know what I mean? Like, you really do. [00:51:11] Speaker C: This is, like you said for you. Like, for someone else. Like, you, Johnny, need to go to the club. [00:51:17] Speaker A: Like, right. [00:51:18] Speaker B: Like, right now, I think, yes. [00:51:20] Speaker A: Like, it's. It's just your career. [00:51:22] Speaker B: It's. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Your life is your career is one aspect of your career, your life. Your friends are another aspect. Your family is another aspect. Your love life's another aspect. Your grocery shopping and apartment is another aspect. [00:51:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Your career is just one part of your life. It really is. [00:51:34] Speaker C: And it's great that the career we're in is so intertwined with life, but at the same time, it's so incredibly integral that you give yourself space and friends that are your finance friends that are your random job friends that, like, let's talk about. [00:51:50] Speaker A: I need, bro, if you're out there, please hit me up. I. But truly, though, yeah. [00:51:55] Speaker C: So refreshing to talk to someone that's like, wait, I don't have to. Like, I'm working on this feature right now. [00:52:01] Speaker A: And sometimes when you're at a party and you're at a social scene and you see someone that you know creatively, and they start asking about what. What you're doing, and I'm like, yes, this is where I go to sk. [00:52:09] Speaker B: Can we just talk about Trader Joe's? [00:52:11] Speaker A: Can we talk about. Can we please talk about something else no one's talking about? And it's true, though. Yeah. You guys, we really need to be. We need to be wrapping it up in that way. Yeah, totally. [00:52:21] Speaker C: And you said it too, about acting of, like, to be great actor, you gotta live to live your life. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Writer and writer, everything. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Everything. [00:52:28] Speaker A: Writer, stand up, anything. And also just human being how. Yeah, totally, totally. [00:52:33] Speaker C: Which falls into the same. Or falls in line with, like, you know, to be taking care of yourself, to be making sure you're giving yourself time to travel and space to travel and girl, to live, like, all of that feeds back in. Into out there. [00:52:48] Speaker A: Even, like, let's say there's such a part of me that's like, girl, you spend so much time on Grindr and like, I was. You Know, had a little Grinder era. And guess what? Those viral videos about Grindr. And it's because I saw this thing about Grindr, and I was like, wow, this is all these profiles. So I made this video, like, oh, girl, aren't these all the profiles on Grindr? And then everyone was like, this is so true. [00:53:04] Speaker C: This is so true. [00:53:05] Speaker A: You had to have that experience. You know what I mean? If I was like, no dating apps and no boys, and I'm just gonna stay and write my little thing, what would you be writing about? Do you know what I mean? Like, it's such cheap. Be at the club. Go on Grindr, everybody. Like, seriously. That's my. My advice. But truly, like, yeah, you had to live life. Stop beating yourself up for it in your head, for just laying on your bed. You know what I mean? Like, let's be real here. Yeah. [00:53:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:25] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:53:26] Speaker C: And when you're grinding, too, it makes. It makes the laying on your bed, girl, girl. So much better. It's like, I'm doing this for me. I get to do this. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. [00:53:35] Speaker C: You know, bed rotting. [00:53:37] Speaker A: I know. [00:53:37] Speaker C: Girl. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Not me. Bedrotting right now. A girl bedrotting. [00:53:39] Speaker C: Dude. We just. We sit on this couch all day. [00:53:42] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:53:43] Speaker C: Like, we don't. [00:53:43] Speaker B: Hot Cheetos. [00:53:44] Speaker A: Oh, that's. Yeah. I miss living with people. [00:53:46] Speaker C: Like, you're here, and I legitimately. The cameras turn off. We're still here. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Oh, stop that. These microphones. [00:53:54] Speaker C: Yeah, we hold the mic. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Drinking hot Cheetos. [00:53:57] Speaker A: Drinking hot Cheetos, obviously. [00:54:00] Speaker C: That's crazy. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Live your life and, like, go to the club, I guess. [00:54:03] Speaker C: Do you have roommates? [00:54:04] Speaker A: I live alone now, and I really miss that, living with roommates. I like my apartment. Really? Oh, my God. Really? I feel like it's like tank and flop. Really? Okay, wait. That's the cleanest it's ever been in my whole life. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. It was March. Thank you. Yeah, totally. Marks and March. Ah, that's what they say about us. But yeah. Yeah, I do live alone. I really miss living with people, though. I really miss living with people. [00:54:30] Speaker B: You had fun roommate setups. [00:54:32] Speaker A: They're my closest friends. Yeah, they're like my best friends. I lived with my best friends, like, for a few years out of college, and that was, like, so amazing, too. [00:54:37] Speaker C: I mean, talking about balance and everything thing. But there's the flip side of that, too. If your roommates are all in film, they're all standups, and you come back and you're like, here we go. [00:54:47] Speaker A: A thousand percent. [00:54:48] Speaker C: Oh, you're writing tonight. Well, I guess I should, too. [00:54:51] Speaker A: Totally. Like, don't. You literally don't. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah, that is part of it. Yeah. [00:54:56] Speaker B: So after this, we're interviewing Parker Fenady [00:54:59] Speaker C: Fear, who you guys had seance in [00:55:01] Speaker A: the first, which is Avi. The best. [00:55:05] Speaker B: What questions do you have for Parker? [00:55:06] Speaker A: Oh, that's an amazing question. [00:55:08] Speaker C: Also seance. I saw. Sorry. [00:55:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:55:11] Speaker C: Seance has, like, a few thousand views. [00:55:13] Speaker A: Seance randomly, one day climbed. Topped 1000 views in one day. And I was like, what? And then it kept going up a thousand views for like a week. And I was like, what's going on? Out of absolutely nowhere. Nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. [00:55:24] Speaker C: Just hit the algorithm. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it must have hit the algorithm. You know, you can tell on YouTube. You can tell what video. You can tell on YouTube, YouTube analytics, what video played before your video, because you know what? It's like, they give you options. And it was. I just noticed it was a bunch of other short films. So it's like people must have been watching a short film and then just keeps. Randomly. The algorithm started recommending them seance, and it got, like, randomly 80,000 or, sorry, 8,000 views within, like, a few days. And I was like, go off. Come on, Queen. Seance is incredible. Like, it's just seance. I actually watch it. [00:55:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, we'll link that. We'll link that. [00:55:58] Speaker A: There's one thing I wish I didn't have in that. It was long hair. I hate my hair in that, but it's fine. That's the one critique of that film. That's the one bad thing about it. But seance. I really do need to watch seance again because that was me at my. Like, I'm not doubting myself. This is who I am. And I know what I'm doing. [00:56:14] Speaker B: And it's kind of a moment. [00:56:15] Speaker A: We made it in, like, three days, and I was like, oh, Parker, I have this script. Should we make this thing? And we made it for $0 in three days. And that was one of my favorite thing I've done. And that's how I met you guys. [00:56:26] Speaker B: When I first met you, I only knew Luke, basically. Yeah, the first 50. [00:56:30] Speaker A: 50, yeah, totally. [00:56:32] Speaker B: And I was driving. [00:56:32] Speaker C: You only knew me going, like. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Like, I didn't know all the USC people. [00:56:36] Speaker C: Yeah, but that makes it sound like we met at 50. [00:56:39] Speaker B: No, I knew Luke. [00:56:41] Speaker A: We got each other 24 years. [00:56:44] Speaker B: Absolutely sick of him. But basically, like, I. Yeah, I met you and Parker and we vibed and I drove you guys Home. Oh, my God. [00:56:52] Speaker A: Totally remember. Yeah. So it's like that. Once again, going back to crazy. Do something. Do something. You know what I mean? Like, I never. I didn't have the wherewithal to be like. But a sans. Does it have potential to turn into a feature? Like, do you know what I mean? [00:57:04] Speaker C: Does it have legs? Yeah. Does it have made it. [00:57:06] Speaker A: It doesn't. You know what I mean? I just made it something which. [00:57:09] Speaker B: Yeah, totally has legs. [00:57:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Totally worse. Yeah. But, yeah, I do love seance, and I just. It's wonderful. Everyone could seriously go watch seance. [00:57:18] Speaker B: But, yeah. What. What do you have to say? [00:57:19] Speaker C: Questions for Park. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Just like, kind of like, hey, what's up, girl? And just kind of like, what's the vibe? And I know that she is kind of thinking about doing more with her last short film, and I want to know if she's still interested in that. Maybe I don't know what she's talked about publicly, but, like, she's told me her ideas. I just want to, like, kind of. What are your ideas on that? And also, what are you reading right now? And also, what are you reading right now? What are you watching? [00:57:41] Speaker C: That's great. We can ask a couple. What are you eating? [00:57:44] Speaker A: What are you eating? Who are you talking to? [00:57:46] Speaker B: Okay, so the questions are becoming. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Yeah, just really anything. [00:57:50] Speaker B: Are you. [00:57:51] Speaker C: Do you watch a lot or you not? [00:57:52] Speaker A: Oh, it's love. Islander Bust. It's like, Truly Instagram reels. I need to start watching more. I have no references. I have, like, three references that I go, like, really hard for. And then, like, other than that, I don't watch. So it's like 30 rock. It's like truly. It's like 30 rock. [00:58:05] Speaker C: That's a good one. [00:58:06] Speaker A: Love, love, love, Love, love. It's 30 Rock. Seek treatment and Family Guy. Like, that's like, Truly where I seek treatment. [00:58:13] Speaker B: Being a podcast. [00:58:14] Speaker A: Being a podcast. That's my favorite TV show. [00:58:16] Speaker C: It. [00:58:16] Speaker A: That's like, truly what I watch. It's like, I know nothing. And BB is like encyclopedia reference mother. And every time she's like, oh. And it's like this. [00:58:22] Speaker B: She's missing. [00:58:23] Speaker A: I don't know that. And she's like, can you please watch it? And I really do need to have more references and start watching more things. I don't watch literally anything. Oopsie. I've gotten more into movies. AMC Pass. AMC pass. Yeah. But, yeah, I need to start watching more things. [00:58:37] Speaker C: Which AMC do you go to? All right. [00:58:40] Speaker A: Grove or Country? Sit. [00:58:41] Speaker C: Okay. [00:58:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that. [00:58:44] Speaker C: I love going to A movie. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I have no references, though. [00:58:48] Speaker B: Well, that's. [00:58:49] Speaker C: That's fun. [00:58:49] Speaker B: It is so great to catch up with you. And this is such a full circle all the time, but, like, you know, getting. Getting to talk. Yeah. It's like, why would we see each other, you know, without it? [00:59:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:04] Speaker A: Yeah, Literally. Why? Can't do that. Yeah, literally. [00:59:06] Speaker C: We should at least even. We should start, like, the farm. [00:59:10] Speaker B: We should start a clip farm. [00:59:11] Speaker C: We basically have a. [00:59:13] Speaker A: We need to be clip farming right now. [00:59:14] Speaker C: You should see the setup in the back. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:16] Speaker C: We got to show you. [00:59:17] Speaker B: We have 70 iPhone threes just scrolling [00:59:20] Speaker A: and then watching your own videos, liking your own videos, literally. And you guys, that's how you. Life is just content life just on our profile. Life is not meant to be lived. It's meant to be turned into short. [00:59:30] Speaker C: Life is meant to be farm. [00:59:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that's my. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Well, we. It's an honor to get. To ask you this final question. [00:59:36] Speaker A: What. [00:59:37] Speaker B: Which is the question that we ask. [00:59:39] Speaker A: I'm so, like, sprawled and messy. [00:59:41] Speaker B: I don't even know if we did this final question. [00:59:43] Speaker A: No, totally. [00:59:44] Speaker B: And we've sort of hovered around this topic for a while, but. Johnny, what is the dream for you? [00:59:49] Speaker A: Oh, amazing. What is the dream for me? I really just want to do, like, I want to make a little, like, weird artsy movies and just like, disappear into New York. I always say I want to live in a small apartment with a big man, and I really stand by that. Like, I. I just want to have maybe like a little cult following of gay guys who like what I make and enjoy the films that I make. And then I could just like, go to a little bar and do stand up every once in a while and someone's like, oh, we're going to see Johnny Marks tonight. Like, he's doing this show and I just go and I talk about, like, what I'm experiencing at that time. I always say, like, I want to put out films, like how Lorde puts out albums, where it's just like every four years she drops something and then she goes and experiences life and then she's like, okay, here's what I'm up to now, now. And yeah, I just hope to have a very, like, full life where I get to hang out with my friends and family all the time. Yeah, totally. Like, that's. That's kind of my vibe at the moment. [01:00:36] Speaker C: I was saying congratulations, and I have it. [01:00:39] Speaker A: I'm actually. That's actually my day to day. So now my dream is. [01:00:43] Speaker B: Long story short, I'm living My dream. [01:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah, literally, I'm living the dream. [01:00:46] Speaker C: That would be pretty funny. [01:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah. You just described my day to day. Yes, that's amazing dream. [01:00:52] Speaker C: That does sound very New York. [01:00:53] Speaker A: It's very. [01:00:54] Speaker C: It's very New York, girl. Yeah. [01:00:55] Speaker A: I'm such a little apartment girl. [01:00:57] Speaker C: What do you think the timeline is? You think you're going out there? [01:00:58] Speaker A: I keep telling people, oh, probably my late 20s, I'll move to New York. And then I'm like, well, it's approaching so it's really scary. I feel like truly 16. [01:01:04] Speaker B: That's why you can't do time. [01:01:05] Speaker A: That's why you can't do timelines. Cuz your late 20s are always. [01:01:08] Speaker B: We'll try to find like a big man. [01:01:09] Speaker A: Totally. [01:01:10] Speaker B: Please. [01:01:10] Speaker C: And if you're. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Seriously, if you're a big man out there, please hit me up Johnny Marks on Instagram with two X's. Please, please hit me up, girl. And that's. That's a real one. Yeah, literally. [01:01:19] Speaker B: Fantastic. [01:01:19] Speaker A: All right. That's a conclusion. [01:01:20] Speaker C: That's a great. We did it. Thank you. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you, Johnny. [01:01:24] Speaker B: You're the best. [01:01:32] Speaker C: Did you learn something? I'm like your mom. Did you learn something in this episode? I hope so. Or not. That's okay. Thanks for hanging. Make sure you follow us at the 5050 Fest on Instagram and give us five stars because. Why not? Why not subscribe? Why not? You know why not. Okay, bye.