Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Because a lot of people think that, you know, people inherently care about something. People don't give a book. You don't give a fudge. You have to force people to care about stuff. So. And then also, this is L. A. People like to feel like they're a part of something. So if you kind of, like, create something that's like, this is a joke that we're all in on, and some people don't get it. Like, that makes people feel like they're part of a community.
So that's my whole goal, is, like, I want people. Because the short itself, like, it is not. It is okay. It is. It is okay. And that's also what's funny about it, is that it's like, it didn't get anywhere. It's not. It doesn't make any sense. Like, it's funny, but, like, genuinely, there is shit that don't make sense in it. And so by creating, like, a thing about it, like, y' all ever. Like, when I watched Wicked, I was like, they did all of that for this.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: I'm Luke Steinfeld.
[00:00:52] Speaker C: And I'm Wyatt Sarkisian.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: We made the 5050 podcast to support you on your filmmaking journey.
[00:00:56] Speaker C: 50% business, 50% creative.
[00:00:59] Speaker B: Every Tuesday, a new how to.
[00:01:00] Speaker C: This week, we talk with writer director Kate Sal.
I'll be honest. Kate probably is not listening to this right now.
She probably does not even remember who we are.
Quick story about Kate. When she arrived into the studio for this episode, she seemed, like, very confused.
She didn't really know where she was. And she asked us if it's okay that she parked her car on the lawn and then proceeded to check all the drawers in the studio for candy.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: She said.
[00:01:34] Speaker C: But anyway, she directed headshot, an official 50:50 short which has since garnered over 100,000 views in just a few days.
We're still upset about the lawn, but we will forgive her eventually.
We hope you enjoy.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Okay. Kate, you are an awesome filmmaker.
You had a short film, a 5050 select tee. You had an official selection at the most recent comedy fest with Headshot, which you are still promoting. Never incredibly.
I really, really.
Huh.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: That has some tone to it. Should I be done?
[00:02:16] Speaker C: I will say.
I will say. Following Kate on Instagram has been for the month of May. This past month has been such a pleasure to follow you on Instagram because what you have.
[00:02:28] Speaker A: I don't see you comment.
[00:02:30] Speaker C: I'm sorry. I should be engaging more. I was kind of saving it for the podcast.
[00:02:34] Speaker A: Right.
[00:02:34] Speaker C: Okay. To be honest, I was like, we're
[00:02:36] Speaker A: gonna for the algo. I need the comments.
[00:02:37] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: You get a bunch of likes and comments.
[00:02:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it's awesome.
Is headshot out to the public or are you still sort of shopping it around?
[00:02:50] Speaker A: Did you not research.
[00:02:51] Speaker B: You have your.
[00:02:53] Speaker C: I don't know.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: It's out.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: You have your screening.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: There's a screening tomorrow on six, seven and then I'm posting it on Instagram on six, eight.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: Okay, great. You're posting it directly to Instagram?
[00:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it gaff.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: Can we post it on our 5050 YouTube? Can we do that?
[00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:12] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: And I'll. I can, I can collab. I can collab with you trying to hit. Let's hit 1 milli. Let's hit 1 milli before. Let's actually do that before the weekend. That's the goal. Before six, nine. Yeah. One day. First day. One million views.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: How do we do a Collab post on YouTube? It's probably pretty easy.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Yeah, you can do that.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: 824 Day with Kane Parsons.
[00:03:31] Speaker A: I'll do that.
[00:03:32] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: I'm going to force everyone to. To repost it.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: You saw Obsession five times.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: No, I didn't.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: Why did you do that?
[00:03:40] Speaker A: I saw it twice.
Wow.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: What do you think?
[00:03:45] Speaker A: I loved it.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: Are you like, oh my gosh, I got to put stuff. I got to put everything on YouTube now?
[00:03:51] Speaker A: No, I'm not wanting to put anything on YouTube because I don't think people watch YouTube. I think people are on Instagram. So I'm into posting on Instagram.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: Straight to Instagram?
[00:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, why? I feel like for me, like I'm posting the short on Instagram because it's like whenever people like, are like, they post a clip and they're like, go watch it on YouTube. I've already scrolled.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: It's true.
[00:04:10] Speaker C: So then you're like, just. They don't have to do another move and go to YouTube. They just, they're right there and then
[00:04:16] Speaker A: they like, you get all the, the views on like a clip.
[00:04:20] Speaker C: Do you worry about long form stuff on Instagram? Like, is that, do you think that people will click off like a feature
[00:04:26] Speaker B: or like, are you gonna chop it up?
[00:04:29] Speaker A: Well, for me, like, the goal is for people to see it, but right now it's just like, like the short is done, it's there. Like, I just want people to watch it. So. And I, I don't care if they click away.
[00:04:40] Speaker C: Like, I have a question. How strategic have you been with the sort of rollout of, of this short?
[00:04:47] Speaker A: Well, it actually started like the bit that it was gonna be was that I was having a baby and that I was gonna lie that I was pregnant. Because the. It's actually been. We shot this short in November of 2024 called Headshot. Yeah, Headshot. And I didn't finish it until like literally like nine months later or I was still working on it nine months later. And I was like joking. I was like, people have literal babies and this is a 10 minute short film I haven't finished. And people literally have children.
[00:05:20] Speaker C: Have gotten pregnant.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Have gotten pregnant. Have children.
[00:05:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: And then so I was like, okay, I want to do like a baby shower. And it's like, ah, it's a baby surprise. It's a baby. But then it was like the bit just like didn't follow anymore. Like it's interesting. Like the first bit post, like, doesn't even match. Like, what? I'm kind of off right now.
[00:05:39] Speaker C: That's okay. You know you're testing stuff out.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: Yeah. But it would have been funny if it was a baby shower, but it just like didn't match.
[00:05:44] Speaker B: Do you have any expert or experience in actual like marketing? Have you had like marketing jobs before?
[00:05:51] Speaker A: Not marketing jobs. I was like an intern at Neon.
[00:05:54] Speaker B: That's cool.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: So like, doing what?
[00:05:56] Speaker B: Just like reading general?
[00:05:57] Speaker A: No, no, I was helping with marketing and helping with like all this theatrical stuff and like.
[00:06:03] Speaker C: Okay. So it was very generalized.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And I got to learn like everything and I did get really interested in marketing through that.
But no, I'm just like an assistant now, so I don't do anything creative for my job, you know?
[00:06:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Uranus is in management.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:19] Speaker C: Right. Yeah.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: I didn't know that.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm full time, full time job.
[00:06:22] Speaker B: Addie, do you like met? Do you like that side of it? Do you like learning?
[00:06:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: Live, laugh, love.
[00:06:28] Speaker C: Totally.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Live, laugh, love.
[00:06:30] Speaker C: Do you find community within that sort of company environment?
[00:06:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fine.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: Okay, cool.
[00:06:37] Speaker B: So how do you balance that with the filmmaking side of things?
[00:06:44] Speaker C: The age old question.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I think what happens is like, it's like I'm at my desk and I'm like working and then lunch hits and I'm like, I need an adrenaline rush or like attention. So I like Photoshop my face onto something and then the rest of the day I'm like looking at my likes.
[00:07:03] Speaker B: No, that's great.
[00:07:04] Speaker A: So that's honestly what it is.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: And like the interesting thing about like working in management is like you are like watching people like, like fulfill and like work towards something like from the sidelines. So it's like, inspirational, because then it's like, oh, I can be doing stuff too.
Yeah.
[00:07:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Do you find. Is it always positive and inspirational, or does it. Are there more complicated feelings that come with it? Sometimes,
[00:07:33] Speaker A: yeah.
[00:07:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:34] Speaker C: I don't know for sure. I. Well, I also was an assistant at a management company upon a time, and it was. I felt it was definitely inspiring. And my favorite part was getting to, like, read these writer scripts.
[00:07:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:46] Speaker C: And, you know, it's not a deep relationship you get to have with them for the most part, but it is a. It's a respectful and good relationship. But at the same time, I was feeling very stagnant at times.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:59] Speaker C: Do you resonate with that?
[00:08:02] Speaker A: I wouldn't say I feel stagnant. It's. It's.
It's.
It's just, like, every day at a time.
[00:08:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: And like, every week at a time.
[00:08:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: In terms of, like.
Like, not only, like, what the job is, but, like, what I want to do outside of it.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: Right.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: Like, I'm not, like, thinking. I mean, I've only been working for a year, so I'm not, like, trying to plan out my whole career right now.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: Mm. So I'm just like, give us. Give us a life story. Like, how you. How you got here? I want to hear it all. New Jersey, Canada, all of it.
[00:08:37] Speaker A: I was. I was born, obviously, you guys. It's shocking that I'm from multiple places, but. Yeah, my parents are from Canada, and they moved to America and then moved to New Jersey and had me.
And I'm a twin. I have a twin.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: What? Whoa. What does He. She.
He. She. She.
He make movies, too?
[00:09:05] Speaker A: No.
[00:09:06] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: And I also have a brother, and New Jersey. And then moved to Texas. I was eight. And then Austin.
And then it kind of came from YouTube. Like, I wanted to make YouTube videos, so I did a filmmaking camp, and I was a menace, and I edited the whole thing and wrote the whole thing and forced everyone in the filmmaking camp to do my ideas.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Comedy.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
It was called A Job to Die For.
[00:09:38] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: How old were you?
[00:09:41] Speaker A: Well, I was going into, like, seventh grade, so.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: So you're like, five or six?
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Six or seven.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: Six or seven. Okay.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: And basically what happened was that the film we made, like, they, like, it was an awesome film festival camp, and then they put it in a screening at aff.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: Whoa.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: So it was, like, this whole thing, and I was like, oh, like, I guess filmmaking is, like, a real thing because, you know, like, when you're not in the industry, you don't even know what a short film is or, like, what that really is, or.
So it was like, trying to figure that out where it's like, oh, like big movies, like, can be smaller. And I was like, only into YouTube because I thought that's like, whatever. Long story short, then I started making movies, and then, yeah, I went to college, and now I'm here.
[00:10:31] Speaker C: So did you get access to the actual Austin film festival? Like, not only.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Well, I didn't. Like, I didn't. Yeah. But, like, I didn't know what, like, filmmaking was at that time. Like, I didn't understand, like, what it was. Like, we were, like, at this, like, Q and A, and they were, like, asking us questions, and the. The Q and A person was like, what are you guys all doing next? And, like, it was like a real, like, festival. Like, there were people there who had flown out and, like, were like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, doing this. And then I was like, I don't even know, like, 12. And I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what I'm doing next.
[00:11:00] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: Whereas other people were like, I'm in
[00:11:01] Speaker B: development with this feature. I'm. I'm working.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: I don't remember what screen block it was. Like, I think, like, it wasn't like a shorts block. Like, I think it was something like student. Like.
[00:11:11] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: But still, there's a university, kids and whatever.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: I love that idea for 50. 50 having, like, a student block.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:17] Speaker B: Like a young.
[00:11:19] Speaker C: Yeah, people care about that.
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:21] Speaker C: Young filmmakers.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Like, summer camp. That sounds so fun. Like, yeah, camp. Did you do. You had, like, you really remember that? It seems like a very instrumental time.
[00:11:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And I went back, like, years later
[00:11:31] Speaker B: to be a counselor. That's cool.
They. They get, like, cool equipment and stuff. Or it's more of like, hey, everyone shoots on their phone and.
[00:11:38] Speaker A: No, like, we had a camera. We had a camera and, like, and. And other stuff, and it was, like, cool and, like, talking to the kids, like, that was cool when I did that, but it was like, I wanted to be a YouTuber. And then I was, who are you?
[00:11:53] Speaker C: Yeah, who are you watching that? Like, who made you want to be a YouTuber?
[00:11:57] Speaker A: It was like, the vloggers. Like, Alicia Marie. Do you know who that is?
She's a goat.
She's a mega goat. And then I was. I actually. I went viral.
Yeah, I went viral on YouTube. I got like a million, million views. Got like 600 bucks. Adsense.
[00:12:14] Speaker C: Wow. There we go.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: And you're like, I'm good. I'm done.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:17] Speaker C: That's my job now.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: I, like, had, like, a niche. Like, I had, like, subscribers, and I would post videos, like, once a week.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: What? Yeah.
[00:12:23] Speaker C: What was it?
[00:12:24] Speaker A: It was like, my big secret in high school.
Like, I would, like, get, like, 10k views a video. Damn, I was drowning. Adsense.
But I couldn't figure out how to get the Adsense. So, like, it took me, like, five years to get my money.
[00:12:37] Speaker C: Right.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: The videos were like. It was me playing Rob or me.
Yeah. Like, like, joking with kids. Or like, I did these videos that were, like, me, like, dancing. And it was like, send this to your. Send this to your teacher. Or, like, send this to your best friend. And it was like, me dancing.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: Like, what type of. Can you. We see one of the dances?
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it was like.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: I mean, like, you, like, physically.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Oh, it was like, just, like, dabbing and shit. Like, I was dabbing, and I was, like, doing this with a whip and I had, like, the cloud goggles.
[00:13:06] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: And I went viral multiple times, and I ran that shit dry.
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: And I.
[00:13:12] Speaker C: Were you, like, chasing the algorithm in a way?
[00:13:15] Speaker A: Omega.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: I'm, like, friends.
[00:13:17] Speaker C: All that.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: And then, like, I also, like, I had, like, an Instagram page, too, that was like. It was this, like, side Persona where it was like. I also was like, Instagram, not Instagram baddie. But, like, I would post in, like, like, like, outfits.
[00:13:32] Speaker B: Huh.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: And I had the YouTube channel, like,
[00:13:35] Speaker B: outfit of the day.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: Like, just, like, me, like, in the street, like.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Was this, like, in the spur of the moment stuff, or is it, like, I'm going to outline and beat out this character that, like, wears these clothes and, like, building these Personas or is all very, just, like, natural? Just like, here's. It's coming out of my brain. I'm passionate about this. Or it's just me, Like, I'm excited.
[00:13:56] Speaker A: It wasn't. It was like. It was me. It was, like, who I really wanted to be. But, like, I was in high school and, like, hated my life. And, like, so it was like a different name.
Like, it wasn't me. And, like, no one from school knew about it besides, like, this one girl I was friends with. She, like, once they came up to me and she's like, I need to tell you something. She's like, I saw your video. I was like, did she.
[00:14:17] Speaker B: Did she like it? Or was like, yeah.
[00:14:18] Speaker A: But she was like, I can't believe you have this, like, whole thing.
[00:14:22] Speaker C: Totally.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Because I had been, like, posting videos.
[00:14:24] Speaker B: You're kind of like Miley Cyrus, dead ass.
[00:14:26] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And you love. That was probably like a cool thing. That was like, this is my thing. Yeah, yeah, but that happened, like, we
[00:14:33] Speaker C: all kind of wanted something like that in high school.
[00:14:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:35] Speaker C: You know, Totally. I like, we went. We were in high school at this time when like, virality was just kicking off. So you always, like, pictured yourself like, what if I just, like, posted a YouTube video?
[00:14:46] Speaker A: It was like, I'm a Chamberlain.
[00:14:47] Speaker C: Totally.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: Like, I was doing school vlogs.
[00:14:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:50] Speaker A: And.
[00:14:51] Speaker C: But she's like, essentially that, you know,
[00:14:53] Speaker A: but my school vlogs, like, I wouldn't like, talk to other kids because no one knew. I was like, you like to like,
[00:14:58] Speaker C: be secret about it.
[00:14:59] Speaker A: So you watch the videos back and it's like, me, like. Like, I'm not speaking.
It's just like, me, like, like silent video. Literally.
No, like, dead ass. Like, it's like no one knew about the channel. So it was literally just like, me, like, I was like voiceover sitting by myself. I don't even. I don't remember if I'd voiced over it.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: But I would speak. I think it was just like. I think I would speak in.
I think I would speak, but like, it was like, once we had like a spirit week and it was like, dress up, you know, like, dress up every day. And I like, was like, oh, my God, I'm do a video where I dress up like Jojo Siwa.
And so people were just like, she's dressed up as Jojo Si. But I was like, internally, I was like, no, I'm doing this so I can go viral. You don't even know.
[00:15:40] Speaker C: Totally.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: It's like.
[00:15:42] Speaker C: It's not about fun to have a secret, you know, Like.
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You're like.
You're like. You're like Batman or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like one of those.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:52] Speaker C: Batman and Robin and.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Well, did Robin also have, like. He was. He was part of it. Yeah.
[00:15:57] Speaker C: No, he also. But people don't really. Hey, that's an interesting.
[00:16:00] Speaker B: That is sort of way to go. Like Robin's perspective.
[00:16:02] Speaker C: Total.
[00:16:03] Speaker B: And it's like the new Batman 2 is like, Rob, right?
[00:16:06] Speaker C: Like Batman from Robin's perspective.
[00:16:08] Speaker B: That's interesting.
[00:16:09] Speaker C: Always like, always kind of in the shadow of Batman.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: Strictly pov.
[00:16:12] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:16:13] Speaker B: That's actually pov. Only him. Yeah.
[00:16:15] Speaker C: It's a VR experience.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: Where did you go to college?
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Sorry, you guys. Keep talking. Yeah.
[00:16:21] Speaker B: You went to lmu, right?
[00:16:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:25] Speaker C: Nice sort of Marina Del Rey area.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: Is it Marina?
[00:16:30] Speaker A: It's by the Airport.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: Okay. It's a fantastic place.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: That's what. Yeah, that's what I think you said that last time I talked to you. Like, everyone always says that. Beautiful campus.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Beautiful campus. Great school.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Beautiful campus.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Beautiful campus.
[00:16:43] Speaker A: Yes. Great film school as well.
[00:16:44] Speaker B: Great film school.
[00:16:44] Speaker A: Great film school as well.
[00:16:45] Speaker C: A lot of 50.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Great campus. Great. Beautiful campus.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: So did you go for the campus or the film school?
[00:16:50] Speaker A: Film school.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: Okay.
And at film school, were you like, I Want to make YouTube videos, or you were like, I'm here to make movies?
[00:16:58] Speaker A: No, I was like, I'm here to make movies.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: So there was a transition between high school vlog days and dressing up to go viral, and then all of a sudden, college hits, and you're like, I want to transition into more traditional cinema.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah. But it was, like, more so, like, I, like, stopped doing the videos, like, junior year.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:17:19] Speaker A: Of high school. Of high school.
Because I don't remember really why. I think I just got tired or. No. You know, what happened is that YouTube enacted a law that was, like, minors like, their videos, like, can't have comments.
So I would post, and, like, I couldn't see the comments.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: You're only doing it for the comments.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: I'm only doing it, like, just to see what people think, for engagement. And, like, I want people to say stuff. So it felt like I was, like, posting to avoid.
[00:17:43] Speaker C: Damn.
[00:17:43] Speaker A: And so I stopped posting because it was like, I don't. I feel like I don't want to just, like, put myself out there and, like, not even get to see what people say. Yeah. So that's why I stopped doing videos. But then I started to do more film stuff and, like, made, like, experimental shorts and, like, narrative shorts and stuff like that. And then, like, yeah, going into college, it was like, that's what I'm doing.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: You submitted a couple films to 5050 to the comedy fest that we saw and flagged. And then Headshot came in. There was, like, this, like, experimental music video or something.
Probably that, but that music video, I saw that, and I was like, who is this?
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I know which one
[00:18:26] Speaker B: you're talking about, but there's such a. You have a very unique voice, and rarely does, like, a music video come across, like, in the submissions desk, and it's like, oh, this is different. Yeah, because it was really funny and, like, very comedic performances. There was no. It wasn't a script or anything, but it, like, very clearly, like, a real voice behind this, and that was very much felt. And then Headshot came along, and it was like, I don't think we put it together that it was the same.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah, you.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: But it was like very much like seem like you had a developed voice, which makes sense to hear that you've been.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Kind of discovering and defining this voice for years before this, you know. So how much did YouTube help you find that voice? Or do you even feel like you have found that voice yet?
[00:19:17] Speaker A: Well, what's interesting about that music video, I made it with my friend Avery.
It's like I had this like roll of film from literally high school that I had brought out to LA.
I bought that role of like Super 8, like junior year right before COVID hit and I was gonna shoot this like experimental like narrative short with like a role by myself. Like I was gonna do this whole like prom thing, like 80s prom.
And then like Covid hit and I couldn't do it and I just held onto it. And then I was just like talking to my friend Avery and she's like this fantastic actress and I was like, let's just shoot a music video. Like, I have this fucking role. Like I need to get rid of it. Like. And so we did that. And then like with YouTube, like, I'd always been doing stuff by myself and like when I started doing filmmaking, it was very much like no crew. I didn't, you know, I didn't grow up in la. I don't. I didn't. I had classmates in my film classes but like, I was very much like by myself, by myself.
And so I learned how to like do stuff by myself. And I do experimental animation.
A like, my first like film really was like a 10 minute experimental short called Metamorphism.
And it was like footage from Teralingua, Texas of these like huge rocks. And then I like threw like a voiceover over it and like that short like went everywhere. Like it was at like nifty and south by Southwest used to do like a Texas shorts, like High School Kids.
So it was like in the festival and that was really cool. And then that was still in high school and then college, I was like able to actually like make stuff with people. But it's still like I'm very like diy.
[00:21:01] Speaker C: Mm. It seems like that because you've really refined your voice so it's hard to sort of let people in to that.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: Not necessarily. It's just like, I mean, I like Big Cruise, but like, I've never been been someone to like need like a lot of people.
[00:21:20] Speaker C: What was, what was the feedback from your professors when you first started like putting your stuff into like classrooms and like Workshopping stuff. Like, what. What was that? What were those conversations like?
[00:21:31] Speaker A: Well, with my. My junior thesis was, like, kind of, like, strange, because it was. It's called the Last Chapel, and it's, like, about this poodle who works.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: It was Cam.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Cam Gavinsky.
[00:21:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I know.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: Cam Gavinsky.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:50] Speaker A: And junior in college.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: British accent there for a second.
[00:21:54] Speaker A: I speak weird.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: Cam Givenski.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: I know. Okay.
Shutting this down. Shutting down the bit.
[00:22:00] Speaker C: Yeah. How did you meet Cam?
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Okay, so I saw Cam. He knows about this. It's kind of crazy. I went to go to UCB to go see a sketch show.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: I've known that Ortega, if you know.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: Yes, Natalie, I know who that is. And, Yeah, I went to a UCB sketch show, and Cam was.
This is so strange. He wrote one of the sketches, and he was changing the set in between, like, in the dark. And I was like, who is that guy who's changing the set? Like, he just had, like, a look and a vibe to him, and he wrote a hilarious sketch, and I, like, follow him in line. And I was working on my junior thesis, and I was like, I need to work with this guy. He's essentially Jim Carrey. He's hilarious. So I wrote this, like, character around him, and I just reached out to him, and he was like, yeah, let's do it.
[00:22:48] Speaker B: And the short say, I wrote this for you.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:50] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: Like, I. I'm not someone. Like, I think it's stupid when people, like, directors, like, do huge casting calls because I'm like, you know, like, you know what you want. Like, I think it's rude to, you know, make everyone go. Especially with student films where it's like, just everyone's great. Like, you're not a huge budget. Like, you don't need to make all these, like, actors go through the audition process. Like, sure. I like to write stuff for people. Like, when I. There's nothing on the line, so whatever. I'm tangenting.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: No, that's.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: That's.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: But that's super interesting because we have a lot of young filmmakers in film school who that listen this podcast, you know, so it's like hearing that information of. Or that insight of, like, wait, I can write a role for someone, and I can, if I have someone in mind, just go out to them.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:35] Speaker C: Especially someone like Cam, who is not, at this point, is the most followed biggest, you know, star. It's like a tangible person, too.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: Yeah. People want to make stuff for, like, even with Headshot, and, like, I reach out. Well, I essentially made headshot so I can meet Ava bun like dead ass. That's what it is. And I don't even think she knows that. But like she was friends with my friend Zoe and like she was just like on the up and she was so funny and I was like, I need to find my way to meet this girl. I'm going to essentially force Zoe to do this short film and I'm going to make this short word Zoe and Ava just so I can like latch on Ava and be some part of like her success.
[00:24:11] Speaker B: Are Zoe and Ava roommates? No, it totally. Like they have that chemistry.
[00:24:16] Speaker C: Totally.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: Are they super tight at all or you were the one to bring them together.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: No, they knew each other, but I think they brought us together.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: But like I didn't know Ava before it and I was like, I'm going to do this short and you should be in it. And then I wrote it after. I think she agreed.
[00:24:28] Speaker C: Love that.
[00:24:29] Speaker A: Or maybe I like sent her a draft or like even Angela Giratana who's in it. Like that wasn't a role, I just wanted her to be in it.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: She's fantastic.
[00:24:36] Speaker C: Did she play the LinkedIn?
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:24:39] Speaker A: That scene doesn't make any sense for the movie. But I was like, I want to work with Angela. And she. I was producing.
[00:24:43] Speaker C: It provides actually like a sense.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: It totally does. Incredible.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: It was gonna be like, like, I swear, like four lines. And then I was like. Cuz Angela responded to my email because I was emailing her, I was producing a show and afterwards she was like, oh my God, I missed it. Like I would love to work with you another time. And this was when Headshot was happening and I was like, okay, I need to take this chance. Like let me just write this like fully fledged character that you know, she would want to be a part of. So I basically wrote the whole scene and I made it way longer than it was gonna originally be. And I like sense to her and I was like, hey, you want to come shoot this? Like it'll be like four hours. And then she was like, yeah, her just writing stuff for people.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: The muffin and the penciling. The colored pencil.
[00:25:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: She's writing notes is insane.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: And it was like fun for her.
[00:25:26] Speaker B: Oh my God.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: Cuz actors want to act. And like so I just wrestle me. And I was like, you can just be crazy and do whatever you want.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: How do you find talent like this? Are you just scouring social media?
[00:25:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: Or taking improv classes.
[00:25:37] Speaker A: Okay, UCB is great, but with the Last Chapel.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: But I'm sorry, with ucb do you take classes?
[00:25:43] Speaker A: I have taken classes.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: Shows. And then stay after and introduce yourself or just follow them on Instagram and stay in touch.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.
[00:25:51] Speaker A: And. But with the last chapel, like. Like, my teacher didn't get it. Like, I don't think she honestly liked it. And it pissed me off because I was like. I was looking at her and she was saying stuff and I wanted to just be like, girl, tell me, like, actually what you think of this? Like, actually.
Because you know when you, like, look at someone, you can tell, like, behind their, like, eyes where it's like they're holding something.
[00:26:11] Speaker C: They're trying to say it in a.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: And it's like, I need you to tell me genuinely, professor, like, what you think of this? Because I don't think she liked it because it's like a crazy short. It's like Cam is literally like playing a poodle who owns. See, I don't even know how to. This short doesn't make any sense. But he's like a poodle. No, he's impersonating a dead poodle named Puva's poodle. Like Elvis.
And it's at a wedding, a wedding venue. And then the estate of Puvas poodle who died comes and is like, you can't impersonate. You can't impersonate Pulvis Cam.
And he has, like a day to, like, basically shut down his chapel. And instead he, like, decides to bring Pulvis poodle back from the dead and pull this poodle comes back from the dead and she kills the estate.
[00:26:57] Speaker B: I mean, it sounds like a. Yeah, insane. But it sounds like it. Like that's a fallible plot. Makes sense.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but sounds like a movie. That's a crazy short film for sure.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:09] Speaker C: Yeah, she's been writing the movie, actually.
[00:27:11] Speaker B: Oh, is that what you were doing? It's like a. No, like a wink wink.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: But I was an intern somewhere, and then like, I showed the. I did show the. The short to, like, the guy, and
[00:27:18] Speaker B: they're like, you gotta get out.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: No, but I literally was like, should I write. I have 24 hours to write this into a feature and send it to him. And I was like, fuck. Like, girl, go to bed.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: You went to bed?
[00:27:28] Speaker C: Wait, you set that. Those stakes for yourself that you.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: I was like. I was like.
[00:27:31] Speaker C: I said, it's him. I have 24 hours to write this.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: Okay, So I was an intern at Miramax, and I showed the short.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: You've interned at some, like, awesome places, but continue.
[00:27:40] Speaker A: So I was an intern, Miramax And I showed the. I was, like, talking to Jonathan Glickman, who's, you know, the Miramax guy, Right.
[00:27:46] Speaker C: And president of Miramax.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: And he was like, I want to watch the short. So I showed him the short, and he was like, this is great. And then I went home that day, and I was like, I need to turn this into a feature script right now. And I'm going to go into this office tomorrow. I'm going to be like, you like the short? Here's the feature, and I'm going to sell it to me. But I didn't do that. I was like, bitch, like, what are you. Go to bed.
[00:28:04] Speaker B: Neon Miramax.
[00:28:06] Speaker C: Any anywhere else? Notable.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: Management companies.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: Management companies.
[00:28:15] Speaker C: Is that how you eventually got the assistant gig?
[00:28:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Okay, so you've bounced around in a lot of our peers. A lot of your peers, I'm sure. I don't want to speak for you, but I assume, at least knowing some of them, like, the LMU kids, have gone the freelance route, you know, and. And have been very much.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:36] Speaker B: Like, making money through PA or making music videos or being a barista or bartender. The. The classic stuff. You chose to go the industry route and, like, yeah, have these internships in the industry. On the business side, you're at a management company. You're an assistant.
You're also, I assume, your priorities to be a filmmaker.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: How have you seen different? Have you seen differences between the two paths? Have you been like, I'm so happy I'm where I am now. I'm so happy I did the industry rep. For me, like, where's your head at with all of that?
[00:29:14] Speaker A: Well, I told myself, like, I've never been someone, like, to want to. To want to freelance. And, like, I have so much, like, industry experience. Like, it was like, okay, why did I do all that? Just to, you know, work freelance. And, like, I have great connections. Like. Like, and I have a great job. Like, I'm not gonna, you know, let that go. And, like, it's very existential when you're in, like, the industry and are an assistant. Because it's like, oh, if I quit, then what? Like, I can't get back into this. Like, it's very much like, you have to be in it. Like, and it's so hard to tap into the industry and, like, you know, get that first job and just leaving it, like, behind. To what? Like, go direct on the side? Like, I'd rather just, like, keep my job. Like, I'm very happy in my job. I love my connections and, like, everything and like, do filmmaking on the side. Like, I'm not ready to, you know, like, go do that full throttle. Like, it just feels like rude, like to. All the time I spent at internships and like worrying about, you know, my future just to, you know, are you.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: So are you making time then with the current job to be writing? Are you working on a feature or are you just like, when it's time, it'll be time. I'm focused on this right now.
[00:30:23] Speaker A: Well, I think what's the thing with Headshot is like I'm posting so much cuz, like I'm crashing out at work and I'm like, oh my God, like I need to do something right now. Where it's like the first six months of my job, I wasn't doing anything. Like, I didn't finish my senior thesis. I didn't finish Headshot, I didn't finish anything. I haven't written anything.
I haven't, I don't have, I don't have a feature, I don't have a pilot.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: Raise. You know, people who are freelance, they have multiple like samples or whatever.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: And plus they don't have the network.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Right. So that's the classic. Like, you do this, but you do
[00:30:50] Speaker C: this, but there is, there's so much merit and it feels like you value the idea that you work very hard in these internships and everything and you gain a network and then you're doing this job that I, I understand that feeling of feeling like I'm in it and there's a, there's a lot of benefits.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:08] Speaker C: Not even mentioning like the sturdy income and like all this steadiness and just like, you know, like, which is something that I value and I sense that you value and you value that network and everything. So it is that. That path is very understandable.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:21] Speaker C: To me.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: And steadiness for a creative too is sometimes that structure needed to be able to go over a weekend and like write a script, you know, because it's like, okay, I can on Monday I'll be back to it. And it like gives you that like some sort of time management, you know? Yeah.
[00:31:41] Speaker C: So let's talk about the arc of that assistant position. Right. Because for the first six months you said you were kind of just like doing the job and going home and just like, because you were exhausted or burnt out or like, what was that mindset like?
[00:31:55] Speaker A: Well, I mean, my friends, they, they like to applaud me like that I, I work like crazy, but I'm like going and hanging out. Whereas a lot of people. They start a job and they just isolate themselves.
They're tired and they go home. But I find energy and, like, the reason I work.
So it hits, you know, 7 o', clock, 7:30, and I can go hang out with my friends. Like, I don't want to go sit at home after that.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: So it's like valuing, like, I think what I valued for, like, the first six months was, like, going out and seeing people. Like, I'd rather go do that and, like, go. Right.
[00:32:28] Speaker B: So I haven't been writing or like, drinks to go meet new people.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: No, I'm not networking.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:34] Speaker A: I have not met a single person.
[00:32:36] Speaker C: We're going to get to that.
[00:32:37] Speaker A: I'm networking internally with my co workers. But no, I am. If I have a free Tuesday, I am not going to go meet some creative exact. Like, I'm so sorry. I'm not ready for that. Yeah, I'm not ready to. I need to go see my friend Savannah.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Huh.
[00:32:50] Speaker C: What do you mean by you're not ready for that?
[00:32:52] Speaker A: It's just like, I don't, like, I don't feel like I need to move anywhere in my career right now, like, in terms of, like, my job career, not like filmmaking. So I'm not. I'm not. I don't feel necessary to, you know, try and network and, you know, find a new job.
[00:33:06] Speaker C: Yeah, totally.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: So I'm not going to go meet someone.
[00:33:09] Speaker C: Then there's the other version of networking, which is you made this headshot short and you want it to be seen by industry people ideally. Right. And you're. Or you want to be making things that X Company or X Talent makes someday. So are you seeking out those opportunities through these. These networks and everything or, like, what does that look like? Because you obviously want to grow as a filmmaker.
[00:33:34] Speaker A: Well, I think what's interesting about stuff like that is, like, I'm a true believer in, like, what's it called?
[00:33:40] Speaker C: Like, the people will come to you.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: No, no, no. Like, building that will come. No, no. Like, when you have, like, a buzz or like, you have something like capitalizing on that momentum, where it's like momentum and capitalizing on that, where it's like headshots. Like, you know, my huge thing right now is community. Viral.
Mega community. Viral. Like, I want people my age and, like, my friends and like, their friends to all be a part of it and, like, the short and like, talk about the short. And that's why I'm doing this, like, big event tomorrow. And I want people, you know, like, Like, Not. Not saying the industry people aren't normal, but, like, normal people care about it. And, like, I mean, I'm not ready to, you know, make a feature. Like, I don't have a script. I don't have a pilot because, you know, I'm busy. So I'm not, like, you know, like, trying to, you know, put myself out into the industry. I'm just trying to make something funny.
[00:34:31] Speaker B: It's. Honestly, there's. There's a lot to that. Of, like, you have this and to knowing that. Exactly.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:37] Speaker C: Because you can spend a lot of time just, like, being very confused about stuff and not having the headspace to even, like, think clearly.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: But there's a lot of awareness. Maybe you're not even thinking about it, but of, like, you have this great short film.
[00:34:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: And, like, it works. Yeah, it's worked. You've seen it, like, play Live. You've seen how people respond to it, and you're building this moment around it, and you're letting. You're giving it the time and space it deserves to, like, live. And.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:06] Speaker B: You know, like, you're not, like, okay, onto the next. Onto the next.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah. That's what people do. And it pisses me off.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: Because, I mean, like, that's the whole bit about it.
[00:35:13] Speaker B: Really respectable, though. It's like, it's. It's actually.
[00:35:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we spent two years on it. Like. And, like, I'm not just gonna post it. Like, people do that. And it's just like, okay, well, you have to generate buzz around something for people because a lot of people think that, you know, people inherently care about something. People don't give a.
You don't give a fuck. You have to force people to care about stuff. So. And then also, this is la. People like to feel like they're a part of something. So if you kind of, like, create something that's like, this is a joke that we're all in on, and some people don't get it. Like, that makes people feel like they're part of a community.
So that's my whole goal, is, like, I want people. Because the short itself, like, it is not. It is okay. It is. It is okay. And that's also what's funny about it, is that it's like, it didn't get anywhere. It's not. It doesn't make any sense. Like, it's funny, but, like, genuinely, like, there is shit that don't make sense in it. And so. But by creating, like, a thing about it, like, y' all ever, like, when I watched Wicked.
I was like, they did all of that for this. Do you know what I mean? Where it's like you're spending millions and millions of dollars on, like, a Stanley cup, and that's for this. So that's what my whole idea with Headshot was, is that it's like a whole thing. And then you watch the movie and you're not even thinking about, like, the actual movie. You're thinking about, like, the external idea of it.
[00:36:25] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: And it's like, Headshot is a thing.
[00:36:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:28] Speaker A: But the movie itself, like, Headshot is a movement. It's a movement.
[00:36:32] Speaker B: Totally.
[00:36:32] Speaker C: Well, talk to so many marketing people on the podcast, and they always talk about sort of how the art is the marketing, in a way.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:40] Speaker C: That's definitely something I'm noticing with you.
[00:36:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:43] Speaker B: Well, it's all very fluid for you. Like, everything kind of interplays. It doesn't feel calculated and, like, manipulative of, like, I'm gonna go here to get there.
[00:36:55] Speaker C: It feels very authentic. Yeah. That might be because you had, like, early success on the Internet or something, and you're very good at being in tune with audience.
[00:37:03] Speaker B: That was gonna be my question.
[00:37:04] Speaker C: Even the memes and everything are so authentic.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: Does it come from YouTube? Like, does it come because you're a social media native? Like, does it.
Does this mindset come from YouTube? As in, like, you understand that attention isn't just given to you. You have to earn it. You have to tell people, come here.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: Come watch us.
[00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: Like, I have friends. And they're like.
They have a complex where they're like, nothing is happening to me. Like, no one cares. No one's watching my stuff on Instagram. And it's like. Cause people genuinely, if they are not your mother, they don't care. They don't care.
So you have to force people to care. And by that, it's every small thing where it's like, the caption, what's in the caption, and what's even. The. The content in itself doesn't even matter.
It's everything around it, what time you're posting, Are you then posting it to your Instagram story? Are you tagging people in it who are in the video, who then will repost?
Are you commenting when other people. It's like a whole. It's a science, really.
[00:38:10] Speaker C: I think that at the end of the day, people are not even tuning into Headshot for the idea of the short or who's in it or anything. I think they're tuning into it because of you.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a bit.
[00:38:23] Speaker C: Yes. And people want to feel in on the bit and they want to see who's behind the bit.
[00:38:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:27] Speaker C: Like, people. All of the memes and stuff are great, but at the end of the day, like, they're following you for you, you know?
[00:38:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:34] Speaker C: And that. That is. That is why YouTube and social media is so important. Like, it. And we see all these directors who are killing it these days who come from YouTube because they've developed themselves. People follow them for them. You know, it's the same with, like, why people go and see anything that Christopher Nolan puts out.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:38:53] Speaker B: Or anything.
[00:38:54] Speaker C: Like, people are interested in the person and what they put out.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: There's a certain unapologetic nature that is, like. It's not being humble and it's not being selfish. It's just like, I know that, like, it's because you're putting it on YouTube for you, right? As like.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: YouTube.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: Yeah. There you go.
[00:39:15] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:39:16] Speaker A: That was YouTube.
[00:39:18] Speaker C: Yeah. She just figured it out.
[00:39:20] Speaker A: YouTube, literally. YouTube. YouTube, you too.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: So you're tube, and then you're you and. Okay, you tub.
[00:39:30] Speaker C: There we go.
[00:39:31] Speaker B: So. But the scene is you. You guys are. You're at the top of.
[00:39:35] Speaker A: You're tube. I'm You.
[00:39:36] Speaker B: Okay. You're. You're not. Wait, you're at the top of, like. No, you're at the top.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: You.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: You're like the top of a big.
[00:39:44] Speaker C: Thank you, Luke.
[00:39:45] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:39:48] Speaker A: Hey, I interrupted you.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a really good question, too.
I forgot because we were doing the whole YouTube thing, and you said you YouTube.
[00:40:01] Speaker A: You YouTube.
[00:40:03] Speaker B: But it's. It's. It's really cool, Kate. And it's. It's.
I. I don't. I forgot what I was gonna say, so I'm gonna stop.
[00:40:11] Speaker C: It's okay.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:12] Speaker C: Okay, man. What do you.
[00:40:13] Speaker B: What are you thinking about?
[00:40:14] Speaker C: Well, I just. I. I don't. I don't know if we're done with that. Thought of, like, people just want to tune in to.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:40:20] Speaker C: You know.
[00:40:21] Speaker B: Okay.
Side tangent, kind of. I, for the longest time, was like, oh, like, everyone wants to see me fail. And, like, you have that feeling of, like, everyone's against you. I don't know if you feel that maybe sometimes.
[00:40:39] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:40:39] Speaker B: Right. Sure. And a lot of times it's just the shadow.
[00:40:43] Speaker C: It's like a psychological complex. It's not real.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: It's like, I'm gonna post something and people are gonna hate it. So, like, I can't post it or
[00:40:50] Speaker C: people are gonna send it to their other Friends.
[00:40:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, oh, look at this idiot.
[00:40:53] Speaker A: Oh, by the way, I don't think that there is.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: That there is. We're from la, so maybe it's like an entire thing here.
[00:40:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I've been, like, myself forever.
[00:41:00] Speaker C: And by the way, don't think that and never think that, because that's definitely
[00:41:03] Speaker B: not true with you. Good for you.
But the first time, I. Like, the first time I really was like, okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna commit. I'm gonna post something. I posted it and all the comments are like, oh, this is so cool. This is so nice. Like, for you, Luke.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: Next.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:24] Speaker B: And it's like, I'm sitting there like, wait, that.
[00:41:26] Speaker C: That's it?
[00:41:26] Speaker B: Yeah. No one cares. No one cares.
[00:41:29] Speaker C: You think that the situation is you're gonna post something that's authentic to you and vulnerable.
[00:41:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:34] Speaker C: And you think that people are going to not comment. Or some people are gonna comment ironically.
[00:41:39] Speaker B: Like, so mean.
[00:41:40] Speaker C: Yeah. And then people are gonna send it to their friends and go, lol. Look what Luke is trying to do. So dumb. He'd actually go jump into the ocean.
[00:41:46] Speaker A: Well, I do get what you mean, because. Well, the whole YouTube thing I did, I wasn't myself at all. It wasn't school, like, literally in high school for a long period of time. Like, I didn't have, like a.
Like, a main Instagram that was like, me from school. Like, it was only my side hustle.
[00:42:02] Speaker C: It was your other Persona.
[00:42:03] Speaker A: So I guess when I squashed that, I was like, I'm not. I don't have any need to do that anymore. So I'm just going to be myself forever. And then college was like a fresh start.
[00:42:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: And I had, like, already basically unfollowed and like. Or muted everyone to high school with. And I really care what they think. And then people from college, it was like, we were all weird. So, yeah, it didn't matter.
[00:42:25] Speaker C: That was nice to be part of,
[00:42:26] Speaker A: but it must be exhausting being from la. I say that all the time. I don't know how you guys do it. You see people. I could not imagine having to work with people I went to high school with.
Talk to people. Are you kidding?
[00:42:37] Speaker B: I have everyone muted so many of our.
Of our. Because he went to NYU in New York, I went to school here. But now that we're all living in LA again, I'll go to dinner or something and see a high school friend getting food with, like, a USC friend that's with an NYU friend. They all work at caa. Like, no believable. No, it's very.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Is that not, like, exhausting? Like, because it's like, who I was in high school. I forgot.
[00:43:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: I don't remember her. That is like, I look back and it's like, I show people and it's like, I have blonde hair. Lol.
[00:43:08] Speaker B: You had blonde hair in high school?
[00:43:09] Speaker A: I was. I was different.
[00:43:10] Speaker B: Why? It had blonde hair in high school for a second.
[00:43:12] Speaker A: Are you not constantly reminded of who you used to be? And, like. Because, like, even, like, talk. Like, my friends from college, like, I've known them four or five years, and it's like, I think it's crazy. You knew me when I was a sophomore in high school or college, and I went nuts. Like, that's crazy that I'm still. That. Because I'm changing all the time. But, like, high school is, like, that must be exhausting.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: It's. It, at least for me, it feels removed enough. I think there's definitely certain people that I see and I revert back to my high school self. But, like, it is kind of, like, strange, but I think for the majority of folks from high school, it's like, I've changed so much from that time, as you have, too. And, like, I. I feel it allows you a different feel to confidence. Yeah.
[00:43:52] Speaker C: Almost like you're like, yeah.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: Huh?
[00:43:54] Speaker C: Like, that's so far. Like, I feel like I'm changing so far away.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: You know, it's like, if you were to see that high school kid, you're like, oh, my. It's like when you travel for a long time and you have this incredible experience and you come back and home is the exact same, and you're like, I'm the one that's changed.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:44:13] Speaker B: You know, do you travel at all? Are you a traveler?
[00:44:16] Speaker A: No, because I work.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:18] Speaker A: I go to New York a lot, though, to visit my sister.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:44:21] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: And she's not doing film.
[00:44:24] Speaker C: Yeah, she do.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: She's getting a master's at Columbia University.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. So your parents love her?
[00:44:30] Speaker A: No, I'm a favorite.
[00:44:31] Speaker B: That's awesome.
[00:44:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I was. I had a question way earlier, like, what do your parents think of all of this?
[00:44:37] Speaker A: I love it.
[00:44:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:38] Speaker A: They don't.
[00:44:39] Speaker C: Do they, like, have an idea of what it's like in LA and in the.
[00:44:41] Speaker A: Yeah, they love it. Yeah, they love it. They don't understand the business, but I talk about it so much that they get it. And, like, I. I wrote satire in college. And, like. Like, that was, like, the first, like, where I'd send It to my parents, my mom would be like, is this real? So, like, they get it that, like, I'm joking. My dad's not on social media or anything, so I have to like it. Like, actually, like, I almost had, like, a brain aneurysm having to explain to my dad, like, I did, like, the whole cane's bit. Cans. Can. Bit. Can. Can. Bit.
[00:45:11] Speaker B: I don't know what that is. What is it?
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Can.
[00:45:14] Speaker C: Wasn't it just about the film festival headshot?
[00:45:16] Speaker A: It was like, I had a bit where I was in Cannes.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: Where I was at Cannes. And my dad's not on Instagram or anything like that. Like, he's not. He's not. He's not literate. He is a Vimeo King, though. He's on Vimeo.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: What?
[00:45:26] Speaker A: Yeah, he loves Vimeo. He's like a website and Criterion and He's obsessed with AMC. AMC's like, he's a Lister.
[00:45:33] Speaker C: No, like, AMC network.
[00:45:34] Speaker A: AMC network. Oh, he watches show there.
[00:45:36] Speaker C: So he's watching Audacity.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: What?
[00:45:39] Speaker C: Oh, Audacity. I've heard that.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: No, he's whatever.
[00:45:42] Speaker C: But I had to, like, the Mayfair Witches.
[00:45:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: I had to, like, Screenshot. I have to screenshot all my Instagram stuff because he. He doesn't like, oh, we can't even get on. So he screenshot it and he's. He just doesn't get it.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: But, like, he's like, wait, you were. You're in France?
[00:45:54] Speaker A: Well, he's like. He's like, are you gonna get, like, sued or, like, what's, like, going on here? And I'm like, no, like, it's a bit. Like, you have to understand, like, it's a bit. My mom kind of gets it, but then sometimes, like, I post stuff and she'll reply and she'll be like, congrats. Like, especially when it's like, Hollywood Reporter stuff or deadline stuff or, like, lists and stuff. She's like, congrats, I love you. Or my parents send me. My dad sent me one this.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: Very supportive.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: There's a video of, like, a YouTube video that was like, YouTuber is, like, going back, like. But, yeah, they love it.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: Were they supportive of the YouTube stuff? Yeah, they were. Wow. So, like, incredibly supportive, it sounds like.
[00:46:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: That's amazing.
Do you think you get your sense of humor? Where does your sense of humor come from?
[00:46:30] Speaker C: Yeah.
Is it from the Internet? From YouTube?
[00:46:36] Speaker A: I don't know, because I wasn't funny. I used to not be funny.
[00:46:39] Speaker B: Really?
[00:46:40] Speaker A: I don't know what happened. Yeah, like, I was not funny. In high school, I was not funny.
[00:46:46] Speaker B: But you were probably funny on your YouTube stuff, I'm sure.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I was funny as fuck.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: Well, that's high school.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: But, like, not in person.
[00:46:51] Speaker B: That's fine.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: Like, I was really bad. I didn't get into, like, any of the improv teams.
[00:46:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: What happened? You just like. I.
[00:46:59] Speaker C: College or in high school and college teams. In high school?
[00:47:02] Speaker A: Yeah, in college.
[00:47:05] Speaker B: So you went to, like, an improv high school?
[00:47:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: What do you want to. What class is that? This is English. Okay. Yes. Yes.
The history teacher?
[00:47:18] Speaker A: Yes and yes. And that's.
[00:47:22] Speaker B: That's a terrible school.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: I don't know where that wouldn't be.
[00:47:25] Speaker B: I don't think anyone would learn anything from that.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: Why am I funny?
[00:47:27] Speaker C: How much are you going back to Texas these days?
[00:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah, my brother. My brother and my parents live there.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: So you have a brother too?
[00:47:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I have a brother.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: How many are there? Like, five.
[00:47:35] Speaker A: Family band.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: Really?
[00:47:37] Speaker A: No.
[00:47:38] Speaker B: Oh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
[00:47:42] Speaker C: Five siblings.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: No. Three siblings.
[00:47:45] Speaker C: Three siblings.
[00:47:46] Speaker B: Two parents, two twins.
[00:47:47] Speaker A: Three parents.
[00:47:47] Speaker B: Is your brother or.
[00:47:48] Speaker C: Three siblings. So classic family structure.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: Three parents, six, seven.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:47:52] Speaker A: Classic family structure.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: Classic.
[00:47:54] Speaker C: Three parents, two siblings.
[00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah, that's classic.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: Four. Sorry, four.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: My parents are polyamorous.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: Yes. And cool.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:48:04] Speaker B: And.
Yeah. What is. Okay. Headshot.
Right. The film we're here to talk about. It's. It's. You have this event coming up tomorrow.
Are you. Are you pumped? Are you nervous?
[00:48:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I like, totally fucked up, like, the venue capacity.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: Wait, you freaking. Don't you put on Green?
[00:48:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I do.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: She runs like a month. Was it like a monthly stand.
[00:48:26] Speaker A: A monthly comedy show?
[00:48:27] Speaker C: Oh, cool.
[00:48:28] Speaker B: Yeah. What do we. We haven't spoken on any of this stuff. Okay, can you give us the rundown of that stuff?
[00:48:35] Speaker A: So Green is a monthly stand up show at the Allegiance Theaters vault, which is their 40 seat venue next door. And basically it started because I wanted it to be a space for, like, people who have never done stand up before or have never, like, booked a show before to just, like, come and, like, bring their friends and family and just like, do a good five. And then also, like, there's just like, not a lot of shows right now that like, give people the opportunity to, like, put themselves on tape and, like, people just, like, need time.
[00:49:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: And then the idea was, like, then, like, get some headliners that come and, like, just like, make it a fun show. And, like, it's become this, like, kind of, like, space for, like, new comics to come and, like, do sets and, like, meet each Other. And it's just like, great because I've been able to meet, like, every new comic in la.
It's been around July's. It's one year of it.
[00:49:23] Speaker C: Well, there's your networking, by the way.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: Yeah, July's a year of it. That's amazing.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: Yeah, July's a year.
[00:49:28] Speaker B: Congratulations.
[00:49:28] Speaker C: That's awesome.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:29] Speaker C: A year is so hard.
[00:49:30] Speaker B: You've done it every single month.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: We skipped like three or.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: It's amazing, though. Wow.
[00:49:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Look at you.
[00:49:37] Speaker A: It's great.
[00:49:37] Speaker C: I love it every month so much. Right.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: By yourself or.
[00:49:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just me.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: You just made it.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: I used to host it, but I don't host it anymore. So I get like a friend or a comic to host it now.
[00:49:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: Because it's just like, too much.
[00:49:48] Speaker B: Have you had Cam on there or Ava or.
[00:49:50] Speaker A: Yeah, Cam. Cam and Ava have both done it. Yeah.
[00:49:52] Speaker B: Ava too.
Zoe.
[00:49:54] Speaker A: Yeah, Zoe did it. Zoe hosted it once.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: Okay. Zoe's amazing at Stan.
[00:49:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it's always funny.
[00:49:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:00] Speaker A: And so fun. Yeah. A lot of people done it. And it's fun.
[00:50:03] Speaker C: We gotta go every month.
[00:50:05] Speaker A: It's fun.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: Elysian Theater. So it's.
[00:50:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:07] Speaker B: Four or five hours from here.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: Four or five hours from here. Yeah.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: Can you. Okay. So that's green. Yeah, we talked about that. So we can toss that out the window. So now. Headshot.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:16] Speaker B: This premiere tomorrow night.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:50:19] Speaker B: Are you. How you feeling?
[00:50:20] Speaker A: Pumped. Yeah, Pumped. I have stickers and we're selling shirts.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Oh, my God. We're selling shirts to say I'll show you. I'm networking right now.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: Oh, I thought it was gonna be the I am the ava shirt, but $20.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: No, cuz that's like a real shirt you can buy.
[00:50:33] Speaker B: I got you.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: No, it's. I'm networking right now. That's great because people are gonna go and try to network.
[00:50:38] Speaker B: How much you.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: I think $7 pop.
[00:50:42] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: $7 pop.
And it's gonna be fun even. So we're gonna do stand up and we have some other people coming.
[00:50:49] Speaker B: They do stand up.
[00:50:51] Speaker A: Just like rile it up. And I need to still figure out. I'm gonna go home and figure out what else I'm gonna do.
[00:50:56] Speaker C: Yeah, great.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: But I like up the venue capacity.
Well, I mixed it up with the Legion vault where I do green. And that's like. That's like Max 60. So I was like, okay, there's 60 people can come. So it was like, okay. And then like 10. 10 more like in case people don't come. So I was like, great, so we have 70. I'll cap it at 70. And then the venue emailed me and they're like, remember, like. Or reminder that, like, we only can fit 40 people.
[00:51:19] Speaker C: And I was like, oh, 40, you're
[00:51:22] Speaker B: gonna sell out for sure.
[00:51:24] Speaker A: So I'm like, well, I'm like, I hope 30 people don't come.
[00:51:27] Speaker B: Wait, you have 70 people on a.
[00:51:28] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: You gotta tell people, don't come. No, I'm serious. But you gotta say it on, like, can you send a text blast? It's not even a joke. You gotta actually do that. Don't come because I bet more people will show up too.
[00:51:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that's so true.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: But I'm like, that's kind of funny though.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: Like 100 people will probably show up to a 40 person.
[00:51:46] Speaker C: No, it'll be a fun.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: I guess you want that.
[00:51:48] Speaker A: I think that's kind of funny though, to be like, so many people gave like, that is like, you should invite
[00:51:52] Speaker B: like a thousand, two thousand.
[00:51:54] Speaker A: That's like funny. It's like people come and they're like, damn, this girl's so popular. And it's like, no, I just up the venue capacity.
[00:51:59] Speaker B: It's kind of fun. Yeah, yeah.
[00:52:00] Speaker A: The people at Nico's are gonna hate me in the line for the bar. They're gonna make no money.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: They're gonna make so much money, but
[00:52:06] Speaker A: it's gonna take forever to get one.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: I'm gonna put the bar outside and all the people.
[00:52:10] Speaker A: Wait, they're gonna. The fact that. The fact that he emailed me.
[00:52:12] Speaker C: Is it Nico's?
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:14] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Oh, my God, Nico's. Look, you can.
Yeah, you were Nico's.
[00:52:18] Speaker A: But the fact that they emailed me, you're like, reminder. It's like 40 people.
[00:52:21] Speaker C: Damn.
[00:52:22] Speaker B: Why? Because they saw like the only seven.
[00:52:24] Speaker A: Well, because I was like. I was like, we're almost sold out. Like, we have like. I emailed. I was like, yeah, I think we're like 58 out of 60 slots.
And then he emailed me. And when. By the time he emailed me back, like, it was like over 70.
[00:52:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's going to balloon tonight and tomorrow.
Well, you cut it off, so.
[00:52:42] Speaker A: I did cut it off.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: Sold out. Congrats.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Sold out. But it's free, so.
[00:52:47] Speaker B: No, but still, that's like, come on.
[00:52:48] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: Congratulations. Sold out.
[00:52:51] Speaker C: That's awesome. Well, we've gone through so much in this interview. Truly, we understand, I think, better why you do what you do and why you are the way you are, which is someone with a very Unique perspective and very crafty marketing touch. And a great filmmaker. So thank you for coming on.
[00:53:12] Speaker A: You're truly even talking about politics.
[00:53:14] Speaker C: I know, I know. It's so true. That'll be the after show, probably.
[00:53:18] Speaker B: Well, he hasn't asked the final question yet, so. Yeah.
[00:53:20] Speaker C: So we do ask one question at the end of each podcast, who I voted for, which is what is the dream?
And you can include who you dream.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: What is the dream?
Nice house. Big house.
[00:53:33] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: Nice house, big house. Lovely lady by my side. You know, couple kids, couple kids, couple kids, couple kids. Maybe a dog. Big dog. Golden retriever, dog.
You know what else you know? Big lawn, white picket fence, some chili cooking on the stove.
Onions cut up. We'll put the onions in the chili tomatoes.
Big movie, big movie, big movie. Make a big movie.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: Big. Big house, big dog, big movie, big wife.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: Big wife, big wife.
[00:54:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:54:09] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:54:10] Speaker A: Big. Big kids, big kids, big lawn, big lawn.
[00:54:14] Speaker C: Everything's kind of just like jumbo.
[00:54:16] Speaker B: Texas.
[00:54:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: You want to be in Texas?
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess everything's bigger in Texas.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:54:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah.
I want to live in one of those abandoned schools.
You know what I'm talking about? People do that?
[00:54:32] Speaker B: No, no. What, with families?
[00:54:34] Speaker A: Yeah. People buy abandoned schools and they turn it into mansions.
[00:54:38] Speaker C: That's okay.
[00:54:39] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:54:39] Speaker A: Minecraft style.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: Okay.
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